I only had one problem child, but I had some of those situations. When things were at their worst, [this was when I had been told my son would not be able to learn, and the prelim dx was ODD] I remember sitting on the couch crying early one morning. I was begging God for help. I'm not going to say I heard an audible voice, but I got the distinct impression that I needed to pull the kids from most of their activities, and I needed to pull out as well. The next couple of years, we did mimimal activities and stayed home as a family. During this time ds met with a wonderful OT and we grew closer as a family. Now, 5 yrs later, I won't say we are a perfect family, but we are happy and for the most part peaceful. Take what you want or don't. I just wanted to share my journey, if only so you will know that you are not alone. :grouphug: