Tranquility7 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Seems like a lot of trouble, and like it would be best to learn the concept of prepositions so the prepositional phrases can just be figured out as we go. I am all for memorizing things (we memorize a lot at our house), but this just seems like overkill and a lot of work with little benefit. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I stuck a piece of paper, with the prepositions listed, in the kids' bathroom right across from the toilet. I then told the kids they were not allowed to memorize them. I've never had to cover them again. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeriJ Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 We've actually found that it doesn't take as long as I thought. Especially if it's in a chant or a song. Then they have that list to pull from later when they are learning the concept. We learned the whole list of presidents in 2 days because it was in a song.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeriJ Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I stuck a piece of paper, with the prepositions listed, in the kids' bathroom right across from the toilet. I then told the kids they were not allowed to memorize them. I've never had to cover them again. :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It will save a lot of time later on as you continue with grammar. We have found that long sentences have lots of prepositional phrases. It sure is easy to have them memorized when it comes time for diagramming. FTR, my elder son said just yesterday that knowing all the prepositions makes diagramming much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom-ninja. Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Yes. If you have FLL 2, it breaks it down easily. It took no effort at all for my boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colleen in NS Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Seems like a lot of trouble, and like it would be best to learn the concept of prepositions so the prepositional phrases can just be figured out as we go. I am all for memorizing things (we memorize a lot at our house), but this just seems like overkill and a lot of work with little benefit. Thoughts? Yes, yes, yes, it's worth it!!! There are a lot of prepositions (and may I recommend getting an even more complete list from the R&S Handbook - there are about ten more in there than on the FLL list, and we just discovered this - so now we are working on adding these in - it would have been easier to do it years ago). A variety of prepositions will be used in more advanced reading and writing. Knowing them will enable your readers to understand their advanced reading more easily, as well as give them variety to use in their own writing. Also, the definitions of prepositions are pretty precise, so it's important to be able to distinguish between, for example, "beside" and "besides." If they are memorized in a list, making these distinctions in definition will be easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratford Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I hope it is, we just memorized our list a month or two ago. We sang them to the tune of Yankee Doodle and now EVERYONE in our house knows them....and the kids sing that song ad nauseum....it's really catchy. :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedMom Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Personally, I do think it is very beneficial to memorize them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverMoon Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Absolutely, yes. Learning the concept and the list do not have to be exclusive of each other. Having that list stuck in your head enables you to very quickly eliminate the prepositional phrases and get to the skeleton of the sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquility7 Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Well rats, not one naysayer among you all, huh? I thought for SURE there would be one or two folks who would get me off the hook for this. :lol: Ok, I guess we will have to do it then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquility7 Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 I hope it is, we just memorized our list a month or two ago. We sang them to the tune of Yankee Doodle and now EVERYONE in our house knows them....and the kids sing that song ad nauseum....it's really catchy. :tongue_smilie: Oooh DS LOVES that song. Where did you get the prep list that goes to it? Is it the "full list" that a PP mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Memorizing them helped ds understand the concept. Drove it home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyNellen Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Very, very worth it. It makes understanding the concept and diagramming a piece of cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
................... Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Yes and No. I think being familiar with them really helps. My Catholic School teacher taught us to remove the prepositions first. I had been in PS for two years prior and didn't have the preps memorized. Somehow I did better than the entire class at diagramming ...after she told me what preps were and gave me the list, and I looked at them a few times, I could intuitively pick them out of a sentence. And, FWIW, even though I loved diagramming and I still love formal grammar, I will not be teaching it to my children. I will be taking a CM approach, and a writing approach to grammar because by the time the summer of 8th grade came and went, I remembered nothing from our grammar school grammar lessons except the very basics. And yet I was an excellent writer, took AP English and scored a 5 on the AP English exam. My children drill and drill and drill math and spend an hour per day doing math. They only have so much time, and I believe all that drill is necessary with Mathematics, but I believe it is not necessary with Writing and English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boscopup Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) I agree with you, OP. I think it's more worthwhile to learn the concept, rather than a list, especially since some of the words in the list can have other functions. My 7 year old can pick out a prepositional phrase pretty easily, even if there are a lot of them, and even if it's a real sentence from literature. He doesn't have the list memorized. We read through the list to get an idea of what prepositions were when we were discussing them, and we went over the definition in FLL3 and how they work, but I didn't even try to have him memorize them, and in fact, I took the list away when he was learning to find them in sentences, so he couldn't use it as a crutch. ;) Taking that list away made him figure out how to find a preposition without just looking for certain words. He's already done the Peter Rabbit exercise in KISS, where there are two long sentences and a million prepositional phrases between the two. He did very well with it! :D ETA: I never memorized the list either. My teachers taught us the concept. I am very good at finding prepositional phrases. I find it really easy. Edited March 2, 2012 by boscopup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrightmom Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I stuck a piece of paper, with the prepositions listed, in the kids' bathroom right across from the toilet. I then told the kids they were not allowed to memorize them. I've never had to cover them again. :lol: :smilielol5: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamajo Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Where can I find the catchy songs for learning grammar and the presidents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Seems like a lot of trouble, and like it would be best to learn the concept of prepositions so the prepositional phrases can just be figured out as we go. I am all for memorizing things (we memorize a lot at our house), but this just seems like overkill and a lot of work with little benefit. Thoughts? Or you could do both. :D It's not like it takes much time to do either. They are just the grammar and dialectic skills of the same subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCoffeeChick Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 The preposition song to the tune of Yankee Doodle (The list is from Easy Grammar.) THE PREPOSITION SONG About, above, across, after, Against, along, amid, Among, around, atop, and at These are some prepositions. Before, behind, below, beneath, Beside, between, beyond, By, concerning, down, and during, These are prepositions. Except, for, from, past, since, regarding Like, near, of and off On and onto, out and outside In and inside, into. Through and throughout, to and toward Under, underneath, Up, upon, until, within, Without, with, over THE END! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Blessings Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I think it is worth it . . . and most kids will do it with ease. It certainly isn't as important as application, but ease of recall can't hurt when using upper level skills. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I think it's stupid to memorize prepositions. Once you get the concept, there is no need to memorize anything. Not only that, sometimes "prepositions" are used as adverbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMe Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 I stuck a piece of paper, with the prepositions listed, in the kids' bathroom right across from the toilet. I then told the kids they were not allowed to memorize them. I've never had to cover them again. :lol: OMgosh! That is sooooo funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MerryAtHope Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 It made Easy Grammar a lot easier to use, and it only took a few days. Worth it to me. I told the kids we'd go out for ice cream when they had them. They learned fast! Merry :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmos Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 The preposition song to the tune of Yankee Doodle (The list is from Easy Grammar.) We also do it to the tune of Yankee Doodle, but ours is a little different. About, above, across, after, Against, along, amid, Among, around, at, atop, before, Behind, below, beneath. Beside, between, beyond, but, by, Concerning, down, and during, Except, for, from, in, inside, into, Like, near, of, off, on, onto, Out, outside, over, past, regarding Since, through, throughout, to, toward Under, underneath, until, up, upon, And with and within and without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamajag Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 My girls have memorized all the lists in FLL 1 and 2 they have come across with the exception of dd2 and the months of the year. For some reason it just won't stick. They enjoy memorization and the ability to pull out a list of prepositions or some other obscure bit of knowledge that makes adults go :001_huh:. It's easy and fun for them. DD2 is a bit too young for application of some of these things, but it doesn't mean she shouldn't be exposed. I keep thinking back to the SWB audio lectures I've listened to and how the grammar stage is about creating pegs for future knowledge. Everything, especially in grammar, is going to come around again, so if they get the idea of what a preposition is then next time they can start learning what to do with that knowledge. Strangely enough, with no instruction on what to do with nouns and verbs and only the idea of what they are, DD2 can answer most of the questions DD1 and I go over in FLL 3 and delights in pointing these things out. It's good that she can, but I think the pacing of FLL 1 is more developmentally appropriate especially with us needing to focus so much on her reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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