Ipsey Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Jael and Uzzah ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 What is the Gemara? We had learned that they were cousins, Esther being an orphan and Mordechai being her guardian. Curious, because this is so different than I was taught. I now have questions! :D I was taught the same as you Mommaduck.....I'm curious too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simka2 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Esther was Mordechai's wife (referenced as an unquestioned fact in the Gemara). This makes so much more sense. I had always balked a bit at the explanations of why she was so upset about going to the King in regards to her people. Her character seemed so courageous that fear of his reaction did not seem to really fit. On the other hand, if she were married, to approach the King of her own volition is an entirely different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Joseph (both of them, but particularly Israel's son) and Judith (that woman was just awesome! :D There's more than one Joseph? :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyJoy Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 There's more than one Joseph? :confused: Maybe it's bedtime?--coat of many colors & father of Jesus!:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 I've never been entirely comfortable with the story of Esther, so I'm glad to see it discussed here. Ruth gets a lot of attention too, but I like Naomi very much. Huldah and the daughters of Zelophahad are also favorites of mine, although we know very little about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Inna* Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Joseph - amazing story of forgiveness and "blooming where you were planted". Ruth - because her story is so close to mine. I used to love David, but by learning more about him - not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 The Gemara is the Talmud (in this case the Babylonian Talmud) I'm not sure where to start... and I have just a few minutes to spare. (But do feel free to ask more questions, I will try to come back and respond again later this weekend!) Much of the Purim story (ie Megillas Esther) is told obliquely - there are practical and thematic explanations, but I won't get into that here - so much of the real story is embedded in the little apparent redundancies or inconsistencies. Rashi's commentary on the psukim that introduce Esther illustrate this - I'll give a brief overview. The key phrase is: לְקָחָהּ מָרְדֳּכַי לוֹ לְבַת 'And Mordechai took her to him as a daughter' That phrase of 'taking to him' is one used in the context of marriage or marital intimacy.. and 'bas', daughter, is to be read as 'bayis', house (sometimes synonymous with 'wife'). The Gemara and some of the midrashim describe how Esther hid for four years, but was forcibly brought in to the king's harem, how she refused to use the beauty aides/treatments, in hopes that she would not be chosen.... and how she had to be forcibly brought to the king and forcibly r*ped each time he summoned her for such purposes. Her struggles to observe kashrus and Shabbos while concealing her identity are described and her secret meetings with Mordechai tear at my heart. [And, yes, the search began for maidens, but... expanded] Yes. Her actions end her marriage. Our people were saved by her sacrifice, but I cannot imagine the cost. As I said, her story haunts me. ...and inspires me too, that our personal sufferings can be used to achieve good things... for others if not always for ourselves. Wow...lots to think over. However, I asked DH and he said he already knew that Esther was married to Mordechai :eyeroll: leave it to me to be the last to know :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahamamama Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Joseph, because he was able to forgive his brothers and he recognized God's goodness in his life, in spite of his sufferings Esther, because for the sake of her people, she bravely faced the possibility of death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoutTN Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ruth and Elijah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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