I completly agree with you. Just wanted to say that. Except that I do use the word vagina a lot cause I'm a midwife LOL. But my kids just don't seem traumatized by calling their parts private until they are older. I have heard many many tots blurt out penis/vagina at inappropriate times and I just think it is unneeded. My kids just from growing up with me having babies every couple years and also helping other mamas have quite clear understanding and respect for reproduction. They are good. Not knowing anatomical names at 2 really really did them no harm (my oldest is 17 so not all grown up but I do have 3 past puberty)

I am so sorry. Seizures are just so scary :( The first one I witnessed was in my 2 year old son just a couple weeks after we had buried our daughter who was still born at term. I thought he was dying too. It was horrible and I was a complete mess. (It was febrile and he was fine) My kids only have febrile ones but my husband had never witnessed one even though I had witnessed many, until about a year and a half ago. he was home and I was not. He was so shook up. There is just nothing quite like it. I hope you are feeling better tomorrow.

My dad actually did that to my sister as a teen. ;)

I do the adding to sets too. American girl, play mobile, Lego, wood trains, little people etc. that helps.

I'm LDS too and have nursed in all our meetings. But I use the lounge quite often(actually most of the time) simply because the chairs are more comfy then the pews and I can escape my rambunctious toddler ;) I love that they are wired for sound so I don't miss the meeting. I actually hear more of it from there then wrestling my kids. I am more likely to stay in RS though so I don't miss it.

Right. I knew you meant it like that. Didn't express myself well. I think what I mean is that people are going to have opinions about it and that can be changed or forced either. But moms are protected from harassment and that's as good as it can be. Maybe by the time our kids have kids it will be a non issue again.

There wouldn't be any other way. Due to my own comfort level and knowing I will need to nurse my baby away from home, I would not choose to wear one. Or I would wear a simple top under it that could be lifted while the dress was lowered and I would stay mostly covered except for the area the baby was latched to. I have worn few dresses in 17 years. Lots of skirts ;)

I don't think anyone is or could police it. The laws are the laws. In NV and elsewhere it specifically states even if the breast is exposed it is perfectly legal. And yes we do need a cultural shift. I just wonder if putting it all out there (literally!) is the best way to encourage a cultural shift. Maybe it is. Maybe repeat exposure is just what people need to get over it. I kinda lean towards a slower approach. Which is nursing openly, no cover, no hiding, no shame but without total exposure too. Maybe warm the public up? I don't know maybe it's past that now since really no one has every cared about me nursing like that for nearly 2 decades.

It's true :) I DO live in vegas... LOL! And I'm not staring :/. It's impossible to miss. I think honestly some are doing it to make a point and it's why I'm skeptical about all the outrage over moms being asked to cover up. If they were nursing like that I can see why someone might say something. So since I'm never there to judge for myself and I've seen so much of the fully exposed kind of nursing in public I reserve judgement.

Many of your have mentioned that you can't see as much as in a bikini or that nursing moms aren't out to flash everyone. I just wanted to say that it depends ;) I have seen many many mom around me who wear something like a sundress and pull it all the ways down to pop their breast out the top. There isn't anything that can't be seen. Breast nipple etc and the whole time the baby is feeding. I think that's what some people get uptight about. It is definitely nudity. Not sexual no. But nudity. Most people assume that those advocating for discreet nursing mean with a cover. That's not my experience at all. Like I said I rarely rarely use a cover for all the reasons mentioned and I have NEVER in 17 years gotten so much as a glance in negativity. (I'm LDS too so hang around with a whole lot of very conservative people LOL). But I am always reasonably covered. There are many moms who nurse around me FULLY exposed. *I* don't care. But I see how it's just too much for many people. But then I see historical images and I realize that is exactly how those mamas are nursing. As well as what I've heard about below the border. And then I'm back to is cultural and maybe we just need to get over it ;)

My husband was shocked and somewhat embarrassed when spending 2 years in Brazil and the women nursed fully exposed. He was used to more discreetness although he had been around breastfeeding his whole life(younger siblings and then nieces besides non family members). We have discussed this often as I have been bfing for 17 years. I do think it's cultural. Most interesting to me is the paintings and photographs in our country just a relatively short time ago. Certainly seems the pioneers weren't worried about discreetness. Having said all that, I still nurse discreetly by lifting my shirt rather than pulling down the neckline as I see others do. I just have no desire to hang it all out there :) but I do nurse anywhere and everywhere that I am and have NEVER had a negative comment or even a look. I do have a cover I use only if my clothes won't in anyway work to keep me covered. Fascinating topic. At least to me ;)

I love it! Go for it!!

I'm not a theater person but could you make one our of paper mâché? It would be light.

Yes that and the insinuating that we need a TV or hobbies just really get to me. They think they are funny but it's really not. Basically they are inferring we have more tEA then everyone else based on the number of kids but really that is just stupid. We don't use BC and we love having a big family. That's why we have a lot of kids.

Sorry! It's the reality though. I can't tell you the number of times people say they must just fall out now. But that is no where near the truth for most mamas of many. Somewhere around 6-8 the births start getting harder again :/ and due to doing it so many times the amnesia is less effective. It makes it very tough to anticipate labor.

I sure feel for you. I am due any day with baby number 10. I have had 6 at home. My last 2 were way harder than the rest of mine with the last one being almost unbearable. I am very nervous this time. I have taken some prep herbs and practiced hypno birth in hopes that that will help. I keep telling myself it is only a few hours, I've survived it before and it is so so worth it. ;) I hope you are holding your little soon.

So I've watched two episodes of cranford. It's pretty good. Not as good as lark rise but it will do. ;) Not many episodes though so I will probably come back to this thread before baby comes and choose another ;)

I was pondering this topic earlier in my pregnancy as I home birth and my last birth was horrifically painful. As in I really should have had pain meds and have seriously considered going to the hospital this time(I'm a midwife for the record :/ )I've done it without meds 6 times and there was just something not right last time. Anyways, for those ladies that have used it especially if you haven't for one birth or more, did it make you loopy or out of it at the moment of birth? That is one thing I really wouldn't like. It's a moot point as ya not available for home birth anyways but I am curious.

I prefer books on tape over DVDs because then everyone can hear and participate including the driver. But with 2 two year olds that doesn't sound practical. I'm sure I would go with the movies. It works for hours and hours :/

Just wanted to second the vit d and mag as well as avoiding carbs in the am. High protein high fat breakfast with little to no carbs makes a huge difference for me

Thank you! I can feel a binge of first episodes coming on so I can find what I like ;)

Lark rise to candleford that is. I absolutely loved it. I was hoping I would make it till my baby came but alas i finished it and baby is still a week or two away. Please suggest something else. I have both amazon and netflix but no tv. Not downton abbey. Didnt care for dr Martin. Dr who not my thing. Already seen call the midwife twice through. Loved London hospital. But lark rise was my favorite :( squeaky clean. Great characters. Good plot. Sigh. Why couldn't there be more?!?

I saw that too but here the pavement is burning hot.(in the summer) No way to walk around to get in the drivers side. There are places where the frozen icy ground wouldn't allow for it either. Sounds like a good idea though!

I have been lobbying for Esther or Edith for the last two pregnancies. My husband is completely against both of them :/ I googled the four girls names we have used to see if it suggested anything similar(before I knew about nymbler) and discovered that all my girls names were in the top 25 in 1880. Sounds about right. I have always said I should have been born then ;). We are going between two other names on that list for the baby girl due in two weeks. All my kids have older classic type names and only rarely do we run into other same ages kids with their names for most of them. A couple names became popular rigt around when they were born though. They aren't unusual at all in fact they are very very common names but just less common now since everyone is trying to be unusual LOL!

I would if it fits your family and you can afford to replace stuff and update it. Also if there was land/nice yard for the kids to play or nice parks etc. I am thankful for our bigger home but miss having more money for lessons and "wants"