OMG, y'all...the people who think mask mandates violate their Constitutional rights

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, kokotg said:

A group of parents just filed a lawsuit like this in my county. I...better not say anything else about that. 

Here's the flip side: https://www.npr.org/sections/back-to-school-live-updates/2021/08/24/1030632820/the-aclu-sues-south-carolina-over-its-school-mask-ban

 

Banning mask mandates is even more crazytown than fighting against mask mandates. It makes zero sense. 

[ktgrok]

4 hours ago, DawnM said:

wait, what?   I am an expert!   I have watched every episode of every version of CSI available.   I know things......

Please. That just makes you a forensics expert. Myself, I am qualified in medicine, law, and law enforcement from watching House and Law and Order. 

My forensic experience is from novels. 

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33 minutes ago, BaseballandHockey said:

I would consider anywhere in the state to be something that a governor "manages".  What part of the Constitution makes that unconstitutional?

If you're the only person in a building, how would someone enforce that?  That doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to worry.

The Health Department can visit a restaurant. If they look thru the window and see a person without a mask, there you go

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I can deal with the outright "masks violate my rights" people far more easily than the ones that post stuff like this:

The constant undermining everything without actually saying anything of substance is so passive aggressive and insidious. 

4 hours ago, Katy said:

Just because vaccines have made government-mandated quarantines so rare they basically only apply to ebola in the US in recent memory doesn't mean there isn't a long and very legal history of the government having every right to stop you from spreading deadly contagion.  Or, for that matter, ordering inoculation back in a day when it killed up to 10% of people.

Funny/not funny flip flop from someone controversial on this very idea: https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/30/who-said-this-about-vaccine-mandates/

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Who said this?

The claim I am making here is very limited. If a person has decided personal convictions about the contagious disease he is carrying, the society in which he lives has an equal right to have decided and contrary convictions about that same contagious disease he has. And if there is an outbreak of such a disease, and the government quarantines everyone who is not vaccinated, requiring them to stay at home, the name for this is prudence, not tyranny.

Prudence, not tyranny.

Let’s see. COVID is a contagious disease. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard that there is an outbreak in the land of that contagious disease. Although government has not quarantined everyone who is not vaccinated, it sounds like this person would support such a dramatic move.

This view is quite bold and controversial. This person would likely be quite unwelcome at a MAGA rally. I know people who would be moved to red faced indignation at the mention of a government requirement for the unvaccinated to stay home.

Who is this bold contrarian? This defender of the greater and common good? This public health warrior?

I hope you are sitting down.

 

[Drama Llama]

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Edited October 26, 2021 by BaseballandHockey

[ScoutTN]

3 hours ago, Wheres Toto said:

I'm pretty sure a pandemic counts as a short term emergency.

Not short term. 18 months and we are nowhere near over. (Sadly) There is time for things to be discussed and debated and decided by legislatures at all three levels.

[SKL]

4 hours ago, BaseballandHockey said:

I would consider anywhere in the state to be something that a governor "manages".  What part of the Constitution makes that unconstitutional?

If you're the only person in a building, how would someone enforce that?  That doesn't seem like a reasonable thing to worry.

No, in US states, the government does not manage private property unless there is a specific connection, e.g., the government is leasing that property to run a government operation or something.

Whether or not I'm likely to be arrested for doing xyz on private property, an unconstitutional rule/law is still unconstitutional.

Don't even get me started about the statewide curfew said governor imposed, making it illegal for me to take a walk alone between 10pm and 5am.  Because if I was allowed out of my house between those hours, I might go to a bar and breathe on people.

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8 hours ago, ScoutTN said:

Not short term. 18 months and we are nowhere near over. (Sadly) There is time for things to be discussed and debated and decided by legislatures at all three levels.

There is time *now*, but when many mandates first look place, in 2020, that wasn’t the case. When, for example, executive orders were issued in April 2020, closing casinos,bars and gyms, that was an emergency and there was no time. It was necessary for governors to act by EO. Right? 
 

Speaking specifically about mandatory masks in schools in my county, that was decided by deliberation. My county was not mandatory; it was optional, but the Board of Ed held an emergency meeting. After that meeting, mandatory masks were decided. Now, I grant you, I am happy about that outcome, so it’s no wonder I approve, but *I think* that is the proper process, even if it had turned out a way I didn’t like. 

[TechWife]

On 9/21/2021 at 3:07 PM, Katy said:

Just because vaccines have made government-mandated quarantines so rare they basically only apply to ebola in the US in recent memory doesn't mean there isn't a long and very legal history of the government having every right to stop you from spreading deadly contagion.  Or, for that matter, ordering inoculation back in a day when it killed up to 10% of people.

See the current recommendations to states from the CDC on treatment of active TB, which also detail some existing state laws as examples. The recommendations include arrest & involuntary commitment to avoid spreading the disease. People take this seriously, as they should. This would give people fits if they realized it & they wouldn’t even consider the danger of  TB cluster or outbreak.
https://www.cdc.gov/tb/programs/laws/menu/confinement.htm

Edited September 23, 2021 by TechWife

[frogger]

21 hours ago, SKL said:

No, in US states, the government does not manage private property unless there is a specific connection, e.g., the government is leasing that property to run a government operation or something.

Whether or not I'm likely to be arrested for doing xyz on private property, an unconstitutional rule/law is still unconstitutional.

Don't even get me started about the statewide curfew said governor imposed, making it illegal for me to take a walk alone between 10pm and 5am.  Because if I was allowed out of my house between those hours, I might go to a bar and breathe on people.

I don't agree with making people prisoners in their home but

I think the question was, "What part of the Constitution does that go against?".

I think they were looking for a basis for saying that not a personal opinion and I can't reply because I honestly can't think of one.

I think it is unconstitutional for the Feds to make such rules but I don't remember anything in the constitution that prohibits states from doing so. Maybe Amendment 9? But other than that 🤷

[SKL]

2 hours ago, frogger said:

I don't agree with making people prisoners in their home but

I think the question was, "What part of the Constitution does that go against?".

I think they were looking for a basis for saying that not a personal opinion and I can't reply because I honestly can't think of one.

I think it is unconstitutional for the Feds to make such rules but I don't remember anything in the constitution that prohibits states from doing so. Maybe Amendment 9? But other than that 🤷

My state constitution leaves to the people all powers not specifically given to the government by the state constitution.  I don't have time to read the whole constitution, but I am willing to bet money that it doesn't put the state government in charge of private property and peaceful movement of individual adults.

[frogger]

18 minutes ago, SKL said:

My state constitution leaves to the people all powers not specifically given to the government by the state constitution.  I don't have time to read the whole constitution, but I am willing to bet money that it doesn't put the state government in charge of private property and peaceful movement of individual adults.

Ah, your state constitution. That makes more sense. 

Edited September 23, 2021 by frogger