Raising Little Shoots Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Hello all please may I ask for wisdom from the boards ;) Is there a resource just for diagramming? Something simple that can be done in short lessons? that starts right at the beginning & will hold this mother's hand. Oh, and something I can get hold of in England, please! Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodland Mist Academy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Rex Barks might be worth a try. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Tick Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Check out English Grammar Revolution. She might have something that works for you and I think her things can be purchased as downloads. I have used her website, but not purchased her products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Rex Barks might be worth a try. :) Thank you. I can get that in England :) Have you used it yourself? If so how was it? My grammar is rubbish, so I need some serious hand holding.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Check out English Grammar Revolution. She might have something that works for you and I think her things can be purchased as downloads. I have used her website, but not purchased her products. That looks good too! Thank you for the recommendation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodland Mist Academy Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Thank you. I can get that in England :) Have you used it yourself? If so how was it? My grammar is rubbish, so I need some serious hand holding.... To be honest, it's been a few years since we used it. If I remember correctly, it started with the basics and went at a reasonable pace. I think it would be possible to learn alongside your child. I've learned lots studying various subjects with my daughter! :) We didn't actually use the entire book. We didn't stop because of a problem with the book, though. We had so many language arts programs, something had to give. Hake taught diagramming along with grammar, so we dropped Rex Barks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 It is so hard to choose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue G in PA Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Are there any other diagramming resources? Just something that covers diagramming to use alongside our own grammar program (which does not cover it). I've looked at RR and found Mary Daly's diagramming guide. Is there anything else? Perhaps a website or simple workbook? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathie in VA Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Well I use Mary Daly First Book of Diagramming I find that it works great as a reference along side our grammar work. The back of the book teaches the concepts and then gives the pages to the front where the diagrams are shown. I think there is a workbook to this but I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Perhaps a website or simple workbook?This (PDF)? (ETA: it's copyrighted, the link is just for OP to see if it would work for her)http://teachersites.schoolworld.com/webpages/lwalton/files/diagramming%20workbook.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 Well I use Mary Daly First Book of Diagramming I find that it works great as a reference along side our grammar work. The back of the book teaches the concepts and then gives the pages to the front where the diagrams are shown. I think there is a workbook to this but I'm not sure. That is the one SWB recommends, but it is difficult to get hold of in the UK. But I will research ;) Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share Posted July 20, 2014 This (PDF)? http://teachersites.schoolworld.com/webpages/lwalton/files/diagramming%20workbook.pdf Fabulous! Thank you! As long as I can keep up with it, it looks super for us to get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardening momma Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I plan on (someday) getting Elizabeth O'Brien's diagramming book. http://www.english-grammar-revolution.com/sentence-diagramming.html I went to her diagramming talk at a convention and saw the book at her booth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parias1126 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I was on the GWG website the other day and I noticed they had something calling Digging into Diagramming I think. You might want to check it out. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaderbee Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I bought and just worked through R&S Sentence Practice. Diagramming sentences wasn't part of my education. So I needed a crash course and this worked. I also read Sister Bernadette's Dog. It's a cute and nostalgic history of sentence diagramming. Believe it or not, originally they used balloons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 I was on the GWG website the other day and I noticed they had something calling Digging into Diagramming I think. You might want to check it out. :) This is the one I *really* want, but it costs $40 to ship to England :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 I bought and just worked through R&S Sentence Practice. Diagramming sentences wasn't part of my education. So I needed a crash course and this worked. I also read Sister Bernadette's Dog. It's a cute and nostalgic history of sentence diagramming. Believe it or not, originally they used balloons. That is encouraging that someone else has done this! Off to look at those resources.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica_in_Switzerland Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hands down best diagramming resource IMO: Drawing Sentences by Montoux. I will say the book does not include much in the way of grammar explanations, the reader is supposed to come in with basic grammar knowledge. Another option is The First Whole Book of Diagrams, but this book does not go very far in terms of complexity. It is good for younger children though. They sell it at RR and probably on amazon too. Here is Montoux's website, which has lots of examples on the basics of sentence diagramming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hands down best diagramming resource IMO: Drawing Sentences by Montoux. I will say the book does not include much in the way of grammar explanations, the reader is supposed to come in with basic grammar knowledge. Another option is The First Whole Book of Diagrams, but this book does not go very far in terms of complexity. It is good for younger children though. They sell it at RR and probably on amazon too. Here is Montoux's website, which has lots of examples on the basics of sentence diagramming. Thank you Monica. I will look at those. I did not learn any diagramming as part of my own education, so I really need hand holding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissySC Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I think you have not read TWTM ... Elementary Diagramming Worktext. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 :) unfortunately, it is not easily come by in the UK (at least, I have not found it to be so) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissySC Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Ah dang ... the tragedy! Let me see what I can find in PDF :) ETA: http://www.emmanuelbooks.com/ebooks/product.cfm/ID/3145/The-Elementary-Diagramming-Worktext-eBook-26-percent-off/ I have a secret! I will PM you if I can find it again. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissySC Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I was reading your link, and I remember something similar on WTM somewhere - about the writing correlation. The statement went something to the effect of ... it is beneficial to have the student diagram their own sentences once they learn diagramming basics. I can say that this is a great technique. I do not do it as often as I should, but we do do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raising Little Shoots Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Ah dang ... the tragedy! Let me see what I can find in PDF :) ETA: http://www.emmanuelbooks.com/ebooks/product.cfm/ID/3145/The-Elementary-Diagramming-Worktext-eBook-26-percent-off/ I have a secret! I will PM you if I can find it again. LOL Thanks Chrissy ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carol in Cal. Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Rod and Staff handbook is very good. It is not very expensive and includes simple through complex diagramming examples, as well as other grammar rules and conventions. I wish I had had it at the beginning of homeschooling, for my own use as a reference book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardening momma Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I had my 8th grader use that. It was quick and simple. Did she do the entire book? E. O'Brien has a few diagramming books, but I think this is the one I talked with her about at her booth. She said it was for beginning grammar (3rd grade-ish) through 12th grade--it would likely take most students several years to get through. It gets pretty complex. In her talk she went from simple subject/predicate diagramming to showing the diagram of the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence, which is a very long sentence (there's actually one shorter sentence in the Preamble before this): That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Depsotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. It was a huge diagram. She talked about how a college professor had asked his students what this sentence means. They came up with all kinds of off-the wall explanations, most of which had nothing to do with what this sentence is about. It was partly about not knowing grammar, and partly about reading comprehension, which probably relates back to grammar, etc. She said that being able to diagram a complex sentence like this can help you see the essential meaning of the sentence. She has some other books, like this one, which is thicker--this may be the one I specifically looked at at her booth; it looked a bit overwhelming at the time, as my oldest was in 3rd grade. http://www.amazon.com/Stay-Smart-Workbook-Diagramming-Exercises/dp/1470051109/ref=pd_sim_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=103KPRD5VXJ229EN8T07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardening momma Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 It was Sentence Diagramming, but it must be a different version maybe? I bought it through Amazon as a Kindle for my PC. The link I used to have no longer exists. I thought I would use the Stay Smart Workbooks if he needed them, but he didn't. He picked up on diagramming pretty quickly, I just wanted to make sure I covered it before high school. To clarify, I don't think the Preamble is diagrammed in her book. She did say in her talk that this particular diagram was done by someone else. The book that we discussed was a book that would take several years (perhaps a dedicated 10th-12th grader could do it in a year, I suppose). At the time I was hoping to find books that would cover one or two grades at a time. I will probably get one of her diagramming books in the next couple of years and plan to spread it out over several grades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardening momma Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Thank you. I think I'll get the other one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrissySC Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Stay Smart Diagramming looks advanced. Has anyone used this and at what grade level do you think this would be appropriate? Not OP, but intrigued and keeping it in the topic family. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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