love2read Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Posted a few hours ago on the RFW board (was this already posted?) THE LITERATURE COMPONENT OF THE MCT LANGUAGE ARTS CURRICULUM.Each part will consist of three works of literature together with a parent/teacher manual. We are beginning with the Alice, Peter and Mole trilogy, consisting of Alice in Wonderland, Wind in the Willows, and Peter Pan. This is most appropriate for students at the first or second level of the MCT curriculum. Each novel has illustrated language highlights by Michael Clay Thompson explicating the grammar, vocabulary, poetic techniques, and language strategies used by the author. Where the original edition contained artwork important to the tradition of the book, this has been included. The MCT illustrations focus on the author's use of language with the intention of helping children become more aware readers. We believe they do not have any parallel in the educational experience of children. The parent manual is designed to help you aid your child to become a more critical, creative, understanding, and aware reader. The books are published in trilogies to allow you to leverage the reading experience. The three novels are intended to be read in a particular order, with questions flowing from one novel to the next and then to all three. Children are encouraged to make comparisons across all three novels and to regard the reading experience of each in relation to the others. This provides for a far richer reading experience and aids the child in developing a broad range of insights into their reading. A teacher manual for classroom teachers will be published soon. There is a special price this weekend for members for purchasing the entire trilogy. There is also a special price for purchasing the trilogy with a basic or complete package of a level of the MCT curriculum. 8005 Wind in the Willows $13.00 8012 Peter Pan $13.00 8029 Alice in Wonderland $13.00 8036 Alice, Peter and Mole Parent/Teacher book $10.00 8036A Set of All four books $39.00 8036B Set bought with a Level Package $30.00 During the July 4th weekend, there will be a special price on our website for purchasing the entire trilogy. That special price will end early on the 5th of July. It will be available on the website beginning on Friday the first of July. In the second trilogy are H. G. Wells’s The Time Machine, Mark Twain’s A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, and Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol. That trilogy will be available this summer. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usetoschool Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Thanks for the update. I have never really connected with MCT stuff before, but I am really excited about these books and have been anxiously checking the rfwp page for news. They really look interesting. So, Friday begins at midnight, right? :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyforlatin Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Knowing me, I'll probably forget to order it at the discounted price. Weekends are always more chaotic around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneGrey Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Does anyone know what the regular price of the material is? What's the difference between the homeschool package and the teacher manual? I'm confused. Finally, I'm assuming the only problem with using our own versions of the texts is that the page numbering won't match the manual (assuming there are page numbers referenced). Anyone know more about this?? Saw the email notice past office hours today. No surprise that no one answered at 5:30pm. (Side note: someone DID answer at Classical Academic Press. Wow!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Uhura Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 If you use your own versions of the text, your student will be missing definitions along w/ roots, language notations (alliteration etc) and other annotations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyforlatin Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Thank you, that's all I needed to know before ordering. I happen to have the larger print copies of Alice and Mole, but it sounds like there is information in the books that won't be in the TM. I wonder if anyone is ordering anything on from the company besides these books. I was thinking of Classics in the Classroom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephanieZ Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Look at the sample pages. . . There's loads of goodies on the pages! http://rfwp.com/series109.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I wonder if anyone is ordering anything on from the company besides these books. I was thinking of Classics in the Classroom. I have that and enjoyed it, but my favorite was: The Heart of the Mind. The best essay in it was "Give me Rigor or Give me Mortis," very motivational, I read it every few months for inspiration! I would get this one first, and the other if you want two. I did enjoy the other, just not as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoVanGogh Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I wonder if anyone is ordering anything on from the company besides these books. I was thinking of Classics in the Classroom. I love Classics in the Classroom. In fact, I just reread it this week. I know someone on these boards one time said they didn't like it because it was just 'preaching to the choir.' But I love the book because it inspires me to continue on this path. Does Classics in the Classroom have a suggested reading list? It does at the back, listed alphabetically. I have heard complaints that it isn't broken down by grade/age level, but that doesn't bother me. I have that and enjoyed it, but my favorite was: The Heart of the Mind. The best essay in it was "Give me Rigor or Give me Mortis," very motivational, I read it every few months for inspiration! :tongue_smilie:Wish I had read this before I placed my order yesterday. That book sounds good! I ordered: Guide to Literary Terms, Jefferson's Truths and Free at Last; The Language of Dr. King's Speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seewah Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 My shopping cart continues to grow as this thread grows! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAutumnOak Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I wonder if anyone is ordering anything on from the company besides these books. I was thinking of Classics in the Classroom. That is on my list to get...I saw it at the conference and should have gotten it then, but I didn't want to spend too much at that time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneGrey Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I really like the poetry series. I'm impressed that he (a) teaches poetry analysis to young kids and (b) makes it full of delight. (I was an English lit major, and I really enjoyed poetry analysis.) I have Classics in the Classroom. I'm one of those who didn't think it was that great, but that was probably because I expected/hoped to get more practical information. However, I'm very excited by the sample of the literature teacher's manual. This is exactly the kind of inspiration I'd like to own. You can apply the technique to other literature. I just need to figure out the difference between the teacher manual and the homeschool package. That's not making sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Uhura Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 The homeschool package contains all 4 books - 1 each of Wind in the Willows, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, and the parent/teacher manual. The parent/teacher manual covers all 3 books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyforlatin Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I really like the poetry series. I'm impressed that he (a) teaches poetry analysis to young kids and (b) makes it full of delight. (I was an English lit major, and I really enjoyed poetry analysis.) I have Classics in the Classroom. I'm one of those who didn't think it was that great, but that was probably because I expected/hoped to get more practical information. However, I'm very excited by the sample of the literature teacher's manual. This is exactly the kind of inspiration I'd like to own. You can apply the technique to other literature. I just need to figure out the difference between the teacher manual and the homeschool package. That's not making sense to me. Are you talking about the poetry books that come with each homeschool package (e.g. Grammar Island)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaneGrey Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 To crazy4latin: Yes. Before answering, I meant to ask you what you've used from RFP. Unfortunately, I lost the thought. I answered assuming you had no experience with the program. To Capt_Uhura: I don't understand why there are two packages available. One is labeled for homeschoolers. If they both have the same four books, why are they coded differently? To Elizabeth B: Thanks for the other MCT book recommendation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 To Elizabeth B: Thanks for the other MCT book recommendation. You're welcome! To Capt_Uhura: I don't understand why there are two packages available. One is labeled for homeschoolers. If they both have the same four books, why are they coded differently? That is actually kind of what I asked about--I think one is for buying it alone before the 5th, and the second is buying it along with a homeschool package. It looks like they will continue to offer it for $30 if you buy a homeschool package, I was asking if that was true since I plan on buying the next level up in a month or two, and wanted to wait until then if that was true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Rain Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 The Heart of the Mind. The best essay in it was "Give me Rigor or Give me Mortis," very motivational, I read it every few months for inspiration! Can you tell us more about this book? I read the description on the RFWP website, but I'd like to know more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt_Uhura Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 You're welcome! That is actually kind of what I asked about--I think one is for buying it alone before the 5th, and the second is buying it along with a homeschool package. It looks like they will continue to offer it for $30 if you buy a homeschool package, I was asking if that was true since I plan on buying the next level up in a month or two, and wanted to wait until then if that was true. I noticed that as well. I thought the sale was for $30 this weekend w/ a level of MCT curriculum but perhaps the sale is for $30 and thereafter, $30 w/ a package of MCT materials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovemykids Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) I noticed that as well. I thought the sale was for $30 this weekend w/ a level of MCT curriculum but perhaps the sale is for $30 and thereafter, $30 w/ a package of MCT materials? That's what I understood. Oops, I read Capt U’s post wrong. I think we are trying to make this more confusing than it actually is. The special is for the weekend only; if you want to buy the books without a package- you should do it now. :tongue_smilie: Edited July 4, 2011 by lovemykids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAutumnOak Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 To Capt_Uhura: I don't understand why there are two packages available. One is labeled for homeschoolers. If they both have the same four books, why are they coded differently? I am obviously not Capt. Uhura, but there are two different package codes because they will be two different prices after the sale...If you buy it with a package, it will remain at $30, but if you buy it alone, the price will rise to $39...I'm think it is that way now so they can simply change the price of the other without needing to create a new category on Tuesday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 (edited) Can you tell us more about this book? I read the description on the RFWP website, but I'd like to know more. Sure, most of the essays were interesting and thought provoking, although a few were meh. There are 41 different short essays. It seems like every other one is about gifted education, but even if you have an average homeschooled child, many of the things he talks about in the gifted education essays can be applied with the freedom and flexibility of homeschooling. In his essay entitled "Content, Hirsch, and Grammar" (he evidently likes that comma, too!) here is a thought provoking statement: It misses the mark to brand Hirsch as conservative or liberal. An excellent education is beyond such constructs as conservative or liberal. His essay on The McGuffey Readers is motivational for continuing to homeschool with a classical focus, he talks about how they don't have workbooks or teachers editions but just focus on reading good quality literature. His essay about the Principia Mathematica was also very interesting to me, I had heard of it but not realized its history and how much perseverance was required for its production. Edited July 4, 2011 by ElizabethB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Are you talking about the poetry books that come with each homeschool package (e.g. Grammar Island)? The entry level (Island) poetics book is called Music of the Hemispheres. Words fail me in describing how impressed I am with this book. The examples (including a number of MCTs own works) are well chosen and vivid. And the depth on analysis is extraordinary for a series aimed at children. Poetry ought to be accessible to people, especially budding young classical-thinkers, but it is all to often a form of literature that exists at a remove from people's comfort zone. This book presents poety as something exciting, and alive, and (while not the end of the study) presents more understanding of the formal elements of poetry than I suspect most college grads are exposed to. It is really (really) great! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyforlatin Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 The entry level (Island) poetics book is called Music of the Hemispheres. Words fail me in describing how impressed I am with this book. The examples (including a number of MCTs own works) are well chosen and vivid. And the depth on analysis is extraordinary for a series aimed at children. Poetry ought to be accessible to people, especially budding young classical-thinkers, but it is all to often a form of literature that exists at a remove from people's comfort zone. This book presents poety as something exciting, and alive, and (while not the end of the study) presents more understanding of the formal elements of poetry than I suspect most college grads are exposed to. It is really (really) great! Bill I have the first 3 books in his Poetics Series, which were sitting on the shelf for a year until I decided to use it this year after hearing a talk by Andrew Pudewa on the importance of memorizing poetry. I do agree that this book is wonderful in bringing the beauty of poetry alive to a child and to an adult who never appreciated poetry until she had to for her kid. :blush: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Robyn Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 The entry level (Island) poetics book is called Music of the Hemispheres. Words fail me in describing how impressed I am with this book. The examples (including a number of MCTs own works) are well chosen and vivid. And the depth on analysis is extraordinary for a series aimed at children. Poetry ought to be accessible to people, especially budding young classical-thinkers, but it is all to often a form of literature that exists at a remove from people's comfort zone. This book presents poety as something exciting, and alive, and (while not the end of the study) presents more understanding of the formal elements of poetry than I suspect most college grads are exposed to. It is really (really) great! Bill :iagree:with all of that emphatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In the Rain Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Sure, most of the essays were interesting and thought provoking, although a few were meh. There are 41 different short essays. It seems like every other one is about gifted education, but even if you have an average homeschooled child, many of the things he talks about in the gifted education essays can be applied with the freedom and flexibility of homeschooling. In his essay entitled "Content, Hirsch, and Grammar" (he evidently likes that comma, too!) here is a thought provoking statement: His essay on The McGuffey Readers is motivational for continuing to homeschool with a classical focus, he talks about how they don't have workbooks or teachers editions but just focus on reading good quality literature. His essay about the Principia Mathematica was also very interesting to me, I had heard of it but not realized its history and how much perseverance was required for its production. Thanks! I went ahead and ordered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyforlatin Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Someone on another thread mentioned about Suppose the Wolf were an Octopus. I was considering the K-2 level. I get the feeling that the questions are similar to WWE's. Has anyone tried this or is this really adding to anything if we are using WWE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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