Cricket Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 500 years ago today (7-10) John Calvin was born! :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 What is the Dark Side?:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yep. We attended a celebration of his life in Boston last week. It was great :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 It is what it is, man. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bassoon Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Yep.We attended a celebration of his life in Boston last week. It was great :001_smile: Oh, I bet you were there with our friends! Heard it was a great trip. . . . Happy b'day to Calvin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 What is the Dark Side?:confused: Reformed (Calvinist) Christians ;) Here it's a play off of Star Wars, I believe. Elsewhere, it's been likened to the Borg from Star Trek (you cannot resist; you will be assimilated = election, predestination, irresistible grace). It's a running joke on the board. There is even a "Dark Side" social group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Reformed (Calvinist) Christians ;) Here it's a play off of Star Wars, I believe. Elsewhere, it's been likened to the Borg from Star Trek (you cannot resist; you will be assimilated = election, predestination, irresistible grace). It's a running joke on the board. There is even a "Dark Side" social group. Thank you... now I'm off to find out what a Reformed Calvinist Christian and a Borg are :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Borg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek) http://reformedtheology.org/SiteFiles/WhatIsRT.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 LOL, even after my quack comment you're still helping me, thank you! I found a Reformed Calvinist Christian site, but Min is too far for me to drive. Thanks for the links, I'll check these out. My dh will be so proud of me (hunny, I learned what a Borg is today ;) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsrevmeg Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 My husband and I have a little joke that we must be super-Calvinists since our youngest son was born on Calvin's birthday. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny from Tenny Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Oh, wow! I had no idea I was a part of the Dark Side! (although as a Southern Baptist I have been threatened with disfellowship on one occasion! ...that was when I was coming out of the closet. - the Calvinism closet that is!) :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bassoon Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 And actually, we have friends who named their sons Calvin and Wesley - so they're pretty much covered, theologically speaking :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 LOL, even after my quack comment you're still helping me, thank you! I found a Reformed Calvinist Christian site, but Min is too far for me to drive. Thanks for the links, I'll check these out. My dh will be so proud of me (hunny, I learned what a Borg is today ;) ) Eh, I let it roll like water off my back ;) That's what ducks do :D :lol: about the Borg. Girlfriend, you need a large super-latte, some ice cream, and to rent DVD's on a thorough Trekkie education. Note: all three are addictive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny from Tenny Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 And actually, we have friends who named their sons Calvin and Wesley - so they're pretty much covered, theologically speaking :) Now, see I had never thought of that - my husband's name is Calvin (named our son after him) and for my husband to even be a Christian after his upbringing HAS to be under the "irresistible grace" heading! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Eh, I let it roll like water off my back ;) That's what ducks do :D :lol: about the Borg. Girlfriend, you need a large super-latte, some ice cream, and to rent DVD's on a thorough Trekkie education. Note: all three are addictive! Okay, now I HAVE to friend you :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gailmegan Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I posted this in the social group this morning, but it doesn't look like anyone hangs out there anymore. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 I posted this in the social group this morning, but it doesn't look like anyone hangs out there anymore. :-( Oh, I forgot to check there first! Yeah, not much action over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 It seems like the new format killed all the social groups... I think the book club is still up, but I'm so far behind in all my reading I haven't had a chance to read with them :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyGrace Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Be careful, lionfamily, about looking into all the Calvinistic stuff-I was where you are until I read a Dark Side thread on here last year and started looking into it/praying. I resisted for awhile-it was futile; I've now been assimilated! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Oh, I forgot to check there first! Yeah, not much action over there. Yeah. Lame. Seems to me nobody ever checks them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LND1218 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 My husband and I have a little joke that we must be super-Calvinists since our youngest son was born on Calvin's birthday. :lol: Well Happy Birthday - did you name him Calvin. :lol: Happy Birthday to Calvin! We did a little celebrating!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penny from Tenny Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Be careful, lionfamily, about looking into all the Calvinistic stuff-I was where you are until I read a Dark Side thread on here last year and started looking into it/praying. I resisted for awhile-it was futile; I've now been assimilated! :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Be careful, lionfamily, about looking into all the Calvinistic stuff-I was where you are until I read a Dark Side thread on here last year and started looking into it/praying. I resisted for awhile-it was futile; I've now been assimilated! :lol: :auto::lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Reformed (Calvinist) Christians ;) Here it's a play off of Star Wars, I believe. Elsewhere, it's been likened to the Borg from Star Trek (you cannot resist; you will be assimilated = election, predestination, irresistible grace). It's a running joke on the board. There is even a "Dark Side" social group. A while back, someone asked if they could still use TOG, even though it is *shudder* Reformed. I suggested that they could just come over to the Dark Side and then they wouldn't have to worry about altering it. ;) It took off from there, with someone starting a thread with that as the title to inquire about Refomred theology (which has apparently led a few down the path,) although many correctly commented that it is actually the Light Side! :D But now it is firmly established as a WTM code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm pretty skittish where too many rules are concerned, lol. That being said, I do find the idea of structure alluring... Dh said I can be any kind of religion I want, as long as the kids don't start condeming everyone to hell. He also said he'd tag along, as long as I don't expect too much from him :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiloh Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm pretty skittish where too many rules are concerned, lol. That being said, I do find the idea of structure alluring... No set of rules other than the Westminster Confession and the Shorter Catechism. I'm not a theologian or even a philosopher but but I've found Dark Side Calvinists to be largely self-governed and even fairly likeable. as long as the kids don't start condeming everyone to hell I wouldn't recommend doing that in public - especially. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I sent them to a bible school that was ran by a friend (A FRIEND) and they came home worried for the state of my soul, because I smoke..... That's made dh a little leary. Especially since my kids (for unknown reasons) speak very loudly in public :001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alison in KY Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm still not getting it...can I get some help please :) So by reformed, is that anything that is Christian, but not Catholic? Guess my brain is in slo mo today. Thanks for any help. Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I'm still not getting it...can I get some help please :) So by reformed, is that anything that is Christian, but not Catholic? Guess my brain is in slo mo today. Thanks for any help. Alison Check out some of the links below... the first are for Borgs, the next group are Reformed and Calvinism :) http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Borghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek) http://reformedtheology.org/SiteFiles/WhatIsRT.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiloh Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 I sent them to a bible school that was ran by a friend (A FRIEND) and they came home worried for the state of my soul, because I smoke..... That's made dh a little leary. Especially since my kids (for unknown reasons) speak very loudly in public :001_huh: I'd just label that a developmental stage, then. RC Sproul was/is quite the smoker, so I think, and puts you in good company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 NO, Reformed is called such, because of the Reformation - the Reformers that broke away from the Catholic church (though there was communication and attempts to connect with Orthodoxy at the time apparently, but that failed due to a few variances). Today's Reformed aren't as "Catholic" as the original Reformers were (Calvin still held to the Perpetual Virginity of Mary and Luther still said the Rosary). Some Baptists are Reformed, most are not. Pentacostals, Charismatics, Liberal Presbyterians, Methodists, etc are NOT Reformed! Reformed is specifically defined. In some areas they have more in common with other Protestants and Radicals and in other areas they have more in common with Catholics and Orthodoxy. TOG is more Reformed Baptist ;) So there is a slight difference, but not so much that you can't make it work. Reformed people like their beer and wine, just not drunkenness ;) Some Reformed men love to sit around, discuss, and smoke their favorite cigars and pipes. Cigarettes not so much, but it's not an issue of salvation or moral failure. Just a preference issue and taking care to not ruin your health (which is why some view occasional cigars and pipes as different to a cigarette addiction). Reformed people like to debate, get hot headed, shake hands, and go out for beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyGrace Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Again-warning to Alison-asking about it is the first step over the line!! That's what got me started on the journey! LOL! And get OUT-are you telling me TOG leans toward Reformed Baptist :svengo:-no WONDER I'm in love with the look of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiloh Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 occasional cigars Yes, my husband smokes the occasional evening cigar as part of his patriarchal duty to deter mosquitoes. And concerning the delinquent teenage boys in our neighborhood his cigar clenched between his teeth was worth a thousand words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 LOL Shiloh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricket Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Here is a 22 min long video by R.C. Sproul that is part of his series What is Reformed Theology? It's a good place to start. This video talks about the difference between Catholic, evangelical and Reformed faiths. If that gets you interested in learning more, there are many other videos linked on that site that are part of the series. ETA: I found the order of the videos on Ligonier's website: Introduction to Reformed Theology; Catholic, Evangelical and Reformed (the one I linked above); Scripture Alone; Faith Alone (part 1); Faith Alone (part 2); Covenant; Total Depravity (part 1); Total Depravity (part 2); Unconditional Election; Limited Atonement; Irresistible Grace; Perseverance of the Saints. Edited July 11, 2009 by Cricket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Again-warning to Alison-asking about it is the first step over the line!! That's what got me started on the journey! LOL! And get OUT-are you telling me TOG leans toward Reformed Baptist :svengo:-no WONDER I'm in love with the look of it! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Okay, who called my dh and put a bug in his ear? I've read him a couple of things posted this past week (the husband/submit that Nakia posted as well as the links MamaDuck posted, for instance)... Now, he's craning his neck to learn more....... I'm starting to wonder if you guys don't have a stepfordish type policy... are my phones bugged? Have you been drugging my water??? (lol, and I'm kidding about most of this, not dh's interest, but the whole insidious plot to convert stuff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiloh Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Okay, who called my dh and put a bug in his ear? I've read him a couple of things posted this past week (the husband/submit that Nakia posted as well as the links MamaDuck posted, for instance)... Now, he's craning his neck to learn more....... I'm starting to wonder if you guys don't have a stepfordish type policy... (lol, and I'm kidding about most of this, not dh's interest, but the whole insidious plot to convert stuff) There's subtlety and beauty to the contemporary reformed Stepford Wife because she self-selects. Very empowering don't you think? Plus cardi's and shells look good on just about every woman. As for the husband, reformed theology is a girl's best friend. :cheers2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 There's subtlety and beauty to the contemporary reformed Stepford Wife because she self-selects. Very empowering don't you think? Plus cardi's and shells look good on just about every woman. As for the husband, reformed theology is a girl's best friend. :cheers2: This is my main beef. I don't do Stepford Wife...at. all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alison in KY Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 :lol: Again-warning to Alison-asking about it is the first step over the line!! That's what got me started on the journey! LOL! And get OUT-are you telling me TOG leans toward Reformed Baptist :svengo:-no WONDER I'm in love with the look of it! :lol: Funny, I always felt like being charismatic was a bit on the dark side...or maybe just on the outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon C Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Are there different "brands" of reformists? Just curious b/c I was in Boston last week and saw a lot of the Vision Forum Reformation celebrants and they were all the Duggar type--long skirts, long hair etc. Obviously not the drinking, cigar smoking types. I would tend to follow more along that line(dress modestly, but not quite to that extreme and we don't drink, smoke etc--though we don't judge those that do it in moderation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runninmommy Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 That sounds exciting. What do I have to do to be a member? What does it require? Dare I even ask? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyGrace Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Go ahead, runninmommy, ask all you want! We'll draw you in too (with the Holy Spirit's help)! Like they told me, "Resistance is futile!" :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runninmommy Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 :001_smile:I need all the help I can get. Explain away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 This is my main beef. I don't do Stepford Wife...at. all. I was just joking... although, being able to be perfect (assuming I wasn't knocked off and replaced with a robotic alternative) would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I was just joking... although, being able to be perfect (assuming I wasn't knocked off and replaced with a robotic alternative) would be nice. Unfortunately, I wasn't joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiloh Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) This is my main beef. I don't do Stepford Wife...at. all. You're better off. When it comes to Stepford style - ya gotta want it. There's nothing worse than a half-arsed Stepford Wife. It takes skill and focus to embody a satire of a mockery. Plus, denim jumpers are pretty darn cute. Edited July 31, 2009 by shiloh not edit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceandaughter Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 So, is reformed the same as universalist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) So, is reformed the same as universalist? Oh heavens, no! There are several kinds of Universalists from what I'm seeing, so it's a bit difficult to do a comparison. Edited August 6, 2009 by mommaduck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceandaughter Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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