My two older dx were slow workers and could take 90 mins or more doing math without fooling around. Besides the speed, both did well in math. My younger two are quicker. My youngest is in fifth and finishes a section in a daily math review book and a Singapore lesson in maybe twenty minutes. It's amazing how different kids are.

Elizabeth, My DD only had a couple areas of concern, the signal in noise and the competing sounds or whatever it's called. The scores I we're not all horrible either; some were. I really can't remember all the details. And my DD is a musician who never had obvious trouble reading or spelling like one might expect. But, in real life, her weaknesses are glaringly obvious and cause significant issues in functioning in certain environments. She's smart and compensates but it's there, making life hard. So then you have that, and add in the visual stuff that's there but not quite severe enough for a dx, and the motor stuff that also there but not enough for a dx, and the visual-motor stuff. And we may only have a CAPD dx officially but sheesh, it's not easy for these kids when you put it all together. And never mind the sensory, and the relatively low WM and PS.

I bought a first edition hardcover copy of Hake on eBay and the paper is awesome. Maybe you could find one. If you don't mind a looser approach to grammar, you could look at Writers in Residence.

I needed to hear this. Thanks.

Yes, definitely sit with him and try scribing for him. Homeschooling math means doing a lot more problems, so it will be a transition. If the feelings of overwhelm continue, you may want to consider trying a program with more white space. CLE, MUS, Singapore US Ed., and Math in Focus are some examples that come to mind.

The SCAN may have been the test that the first audiologist used when she told me it wasn't APD but must be ADHD with those symptoms. Years later I went to a children's hospital where they felt justified in doing the full eval and she did get the APD dx. And the NP eval supposedly ruled out ADHD. So who knows? If I were you, OhE, I might get the APD eval if it would get any helpful understanding or accommodations. Your DD has the left ear advantage, too, doesn't she? I'm also highly skeptical of the no ADHD dx, and I think it would be very interesting for her to do a trial of meds. My younger DD didn't get the ADHD dx either but at that point we were already using meds and saw a significant benefit. And now there's a big difference in school after the meds wear off. Sorry for the rabbit trails. But, yes, the OP's DD sounds like mine who has CAPD: sensitive to noise, very poor comprehension and overwhelmed in noisy environments.

I'm trying out IP for the first time this year and it does seem more enjoyable for my DD who doesn't like work in general but who is math-minded.

I suspect most kids with any visual issues would struggle with MM, and I'm curious if your previous math curriculum was visually busy or possibly overwhelming.

Which curriculum did you use previously?

I never did history five times a week, only two or three days at most through eighth grade. (And we didn't outline either....And my kids could get very stressed coordinating multiple resources. They might sound hopeless from a WTM perspective but I assure you the older ones turned out fine.) Didn't SWB suggest somewhere two days a week for history and two for related lit?

. I think this is a good example of how the right help can make a difference, Not saying that you got help, but to show that if even if there is a glitch ( or two or three) success is possible and the right accommodations can help move things in the right direction.

Vision therapy. Done with an optometrist who is certified member of covd.org. ETA: The visual-motor integration testing was done by an OT first, before we ended up at the developmental optometrist. But an optometrist who does VT can also do this testing. Another DD had VMI testing with both the optometrist and an OT and the results were consistent. Her VMI was good but she had other visual issues (convergence excess, tracking, accommodative spasms) and other things probably related to executive function--not to mention the loose joints--that make writing hard for her. And there's also the sensory stuff that plagues us. Lol. Sorting this stuff out isn't easy!

We have issues like that with two kids and it's been as much a visual problem as anything else.

I think one of my kids scored below the second percentile on that test. We had a lot of writing issues over the years and she struggled with pencil grip. And sensory was a part of it, too. She had VT and while her handwriting still isn't great, that and everything else just got easier with VT. Also, if you combine low tone with lax joints, you can have problems with grip and writing. We have that as part of the picture, too. It all kind of goes together and it's a common problem.

Tough question to ask but I'll put it out there. Could she have mild cp? Has this question ever been asked?

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Coming back.... Look up auditory processing disorder. She has symptoms of that in your description and seems consistent with the scores. That would be evaluated by an audiologist. What are her motor skills like outside of writing? Is she well coordinated or clumsy?

I think you're right, OhE, about the children's hospital. But I would start with the medical part because tgere's a big medical question in the birth history. I honestly think before evals, a pediatric neurologist at a children's hospital is in order. That will sort out the medical stuff and that *could* lead to better coverage for the other issues, including learning related evals. Has she ever had an MRI? For the school or anyone else to suggest or encourage an ADHD dx with this other stuff going on without a full evaluation is irresponsible and potentially harmful. I say that as someone who made that mistake twice, of thinking it was ADHD but it wasn't, or was more. I believe God has blessed my family and I fully accept how he has worked in my life and know it was all for the best, but, in a purely human level, if I had pushed harder for complete anserswhen they were seven, our path may have been much easier. Whenever I've had my kid in for evals, one of the first things doctors/neuropsychologists ask is about the birth history. So I think it could be significant and justifies a medical evaluation in light of the behavioral stuff.

You might also look at Just Write. They are very cheap in Amazon Marketplace and you can see samples on the Christian Book website . One reluctant writer here liked Writing Tales. The other preferred Just Write after WWE. Just Write was something she could manage more easily and has a little more room for creative writing in tiny chunks, while WWE had room for creativity but was still an imitation-based approach. What about Scholastics Super Sentences and Perfect Paragraphs? That breaks things down very well. The download was really inexpensive.

Don't be embarrassed! You're not weird! You are awesome and so is your dd! You can figure it out to make the most of those gifts and find your way around the challenges. You may want to read about scotopic sensitivity syndrome, aka Irlen Syndrome.

My DD also has solid reading comprehension and is very bright. However, her memory of details can suffer when the interest level is low. We hit that point in WWE3. About the dictation, I agree with the above warning. I really had to modify how I did them for them to get done. And after finishing WWE3, I just stopped. We now use a dictation - based soelling program but we do it as copywork. I can't fight that battle with dysgraphia. Maybe I'm a wuss. My DD has an excellent memory, so we boost general knowledge ( of the more classical variety) with various memory work and interesting flashcards, in addition to good books.

I've used both and completely agree Killgallon is best to use later. We used it after finishing WWE 3 and Writing Tales 1 and 2. I personally find Killgallon best for fifth grade and up, and used the elementary sc book with an 8th grader.

Find a developmental optometrist through covd.org and ask your local homeschool group if anyone can recommend an optometrist who specializes in vision therapy, who parents love. That's really the most efficient way to get answers about the visual issues you describe.

What's the significance of family pictures? We've had so much trouble with this, when it should be so simple: get together, smile, click. But no. It's always grief or funny stuff in the early days.

Generally, Behold and See is well liked. I think I saw favorable reviews about 6 in the past here, but I haven't been successful in locating them in a search. There's no official Catholic position on old vs. young earth. We just have to believe that God created the earth (and everything else) out of nothing and breathed an immortal soul into Adam and Eve. So there's even dissension in Catholic circles about the age of the earth and human evolution. You are correct that CHC is more old earth, but not all Catholic curriculum providers are. Seton, for example, is young earth.