I think I'm going to do this. I may draw a black box around the problem, only leaving room for the spaces that she needs to use, and no extra spaces to the right beyond where the ones place value column would be.

I haven't been able to upload pics to the forum on my phone. And I'm sorry I can't describe it better. Imagine she is multplying 123 by 45. She multiples the 123 by 5 first and writes down the partial product 615. Then she multiples 123 by 4 (which is really forty) and writes 492 directly under the 615 (so that the place value positions are not correctly lined up vertically). There is a zero after the 2, on the end, so 4920 ( the correct partial product) is written down but moved one position to the right. Finally, she adds the 615 and the 4920 on a diagonal so the place value matches and she gets a correct answer.

With the help of kind souls, I started having DD10 do math on PDF printed graph paper at a 2 squares per inch setting. I copied problems from the intensive practice workbook and she got the right! No frustration! However... Even though I had put a zero in the partial product of the first couple of the problems as a reminder that she was multiplying tens, she disregarded that. What she did to get the correct answer is to add the partial products on an angle. By doing so she showed she was aware of the place value and respected it to get the correct answer even though it wasn't apparent if you just looked at the partial products. I don't know if what she did would make sense to anyone based on my description. ?? Basically what looked like she was messing up by not lining up right was a little more complicated. Now with the grid, things line up neatly, but she's created her own method.

The wisdom of the Hive amazes me.

I was going to suggest the same thing. I get this way after long flights. I'd be hopeless after a cruise.

This really makes me feel a lot better. Thank you for sharing!

You can count on my prayers, too. For you and all your family. I'll go ahead and speak for everyone here: We've got you covered in prayer and we are here for you. May you feel better soon.

From what a cardiologist told me, it's possible the murmur is more noticeable now if she is dehydrated. The echo should help clear up any possibilities. A murmur means a valve is leaky. A mild level of this is in the normal range. With the high histamine, I think of Mast Cell Activation Disorder which is treated by a combo of Zyrtec (the common antihistamine) and Zantac, which is used for stomach acid issues but is also a type of antihistamine. If you research this, look for recent research. It's a relatively new field. Serum tryptase testing during an episode can be helpful but is not definitive. Also, 24 hour urine yes for N-methylhistimine. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3753019/ My other though is to rule out a eosinophilic disorder. http://www.aaaai.org/conditions-and-treatments/related-conditions/eosinophilic-esophagitis http://www.chop.edu/conditions-diseases/eosinophilic-esophagitis

I'm glad you got in today.

I can keep my eyes open but I'd be afraid I'd have to teach a college student myself to make sure he did what I needed. To be honest, I'm fussy about math and I would need to know how they approach math before I'd let him talk math with her. I don't know if that makes sense but I had to clean up a mess after someone else taught her math for a while in the early years in a way that undermined conceptual thinking.

https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/322357 I have sensory kids, too, and asked similar questions about if things that happened early on ever caused it. There aren't usually easy answers. Hugs

I just did a google search and found an article that gross motor skills are affected by this condition. In most cases, they resolve. However, a minority of kids continue to have problems. If you haven't seen a neurologist since she was a baby, I would find a good pediatric one, maybe at a children's hospital. I wouldn't worry but it might bring you peace of mind to have this question answered.

Yes. She has some rigidity, not a lot, and it usually doesn't affect life. I would love to get a tutor, but they cost $60 an hour. That would be the best solution, I think. I wish I had another mom to switch off with.

I also need to confirm with her if it's only happening in class or if it ever happens in other situations.

I never thought about the chair. I'm going to ask her about that. She always has a water bottle with her so I think that part is fine, but she could need salt or electrolytes. She is also a super chill person and doesn't get anxious or upset easily.

Has she ever had a neurology appointment?

I'm going to Mass tonight and I'm offering it for you. Warm hugs!

Could very well be. I have a history of POTS. Vasovagal syncope is related, too. She doesn't have big problems standing, though. But I can have problems just sitting, since with sitting it's even harder to get good blood flow.

Dd16 just brought this up to me. She says it happens when she's sitting in class. She says she also forgets things a lot and sometimes she has to ask a person what they just said because she's zoned out while listening. Sometimes she says she has to do it as much as three times in a row. She has a Dx of vasovagal syncope and an irregular heart beat which she is she is being watched but is believed to be benign. Can this temporary vision thing be in anyway ADHD related? We clearly have issues like this in our family. Any chance seizures could go this? We have a cardiology follow up scheduled soon and she is also due for a wellcheck this fall. Otherwise, she is going well with her health and academically.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I copied the next lessons on to loose leaf paper sideways. I appreciate that suggestion. The graph paper I have won't work so I'all need to find one with bigger boxes. My eyes bug out with the squares and I think her visual issues are worse than mine. And she can't write small enough. Alas, legibility is a major problems always. I'm going to try to find a notebook with bigger squares. I'd love a link if anyone has an idea. Working with her yesterday, she misread signs. Dh caught her doing the same thing. Time to get her eyes checked again. She had VT last year and the optometrist noted an unusual physical finding in her eyes that we agreed to watch. So I think it's time. And those pens sound great for me. Unfortunately, things like that won't work for her. She also can't be bribed at all, so she's been the toughest kid of all of mine to work with. I wait for a good time and gently bring up, "What can we do to make this situation better?, and other things like that, but she refuses to talk. Otherwise, she's a great kid, bright, fun, compliant, but she's like a brick wall when it comes to writing.

Just repeating the recommendation to get a copy of the MRI images.

Dd is getting way too frustrated in math this year. She's using Singapore US ed. 5A. She's doing it but the level of stress it's causing makes me question if I need to intervene and offer her a less intense option. It could be the next topic is less stressful and this problem will spontaneously resolve. Background info: She is actually good at math but writing issues have been confirmed by an OT. I suspect spatial disgraphia. Anything she can do in her head is no problem and she has good working memory, but she's getting to the point of doing multi-step problems with really big numbers and she needs to write it down. Her spacing in writing is wacky, and errors inevitably pop up. She freaks out if I try to get involved by offering to use a white board, scribing for her, or having her use graph paper. She really wants to do it herself.

Make it clear that if you go home and she vomits again, you will come back immediately. It might just be with older people, but isn't there some significance to re-admits within a few days, like a failed discharge that can cause problems with insurance for the hospital? I have some memory of having that issue but it was with older relatives.

Janeway, Would you feel comfortable calling the mom and just saying hi since she hasn't come back to the group? I just remember feeling very isolated by the behavior of one of my kids, especially when people made comments, even if they were well-meaning. It could have made a difference if someone just called to say hi.

I'm guessing that might be Flagyl since I had that as an IV in the hospital and as a pill after, and it was worse as a pill. ETA: Just clarifying that it was in the really unpleasant category, not the worst thing in the world. You'll get through it and someday it will be a distant memory. Keep coming back here to vent and we'll help get you through. 😘