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  1. The OP asked about mask-refusers. I was just pointing out that there is conflicting information out there. The links I posted were not from some conspiratorial blogs. The one from the CDC cited 50 published studies/papers. Yes, I am aware that the other is not an academic paper, but it was published by The New England Journal of Medicine. There are more available just like these. I'm not sure why something not reducing one illness would also mean that thing would not reduce any other illnesses? I'll continue to wash my hands, clean surfaces, and keep my germs from flying on others because it has been shown to reduce other illnesses. I would definitely read any and all studies you have to share about using face coverings for Covid-19, especially if it is also analyzing the effects on other health outcomes like bacterial infections, oxygen deficiency, etc.
  2. I have been seeing a lot of people say that masking will keep the numbers down and that every one in the whole world should wear them indefinitely. It doesn't matter what kind of face covering one wears. It doesn't matter that most of the people who I see wearing them are not keeping their hands away from their faces/coverings and/or not staying 6 feet (wherever that number came from) from others. It doesn't matter that the effectiveness of any ol' face covering v. no face covering on the *overall health outcomes* of the general population has not been studied. It doesn't matter that mask v. no mask is only seen in theoretical models. It doesn't matter that any any given point in time, the risk of getting infected or infecting others (not counting hot spots) is approaching zero. I have heard from many that not wearing some type of face covering in a public space should be illegal, whether a person actually has the virus or not. I know about exponential growth. I have heard the mantra about my mask protecting you and your mask protecting me. So something like this from the CDC is not valid? "We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility (Figure 2)." [1] Because SARS-CoV-2 spread so differently than ILIs? Because face coverings used by the general population are better than surgical-type masks? Or this from the New England Journal of Medicine: "We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic." [2] If we are going to mandate face coverings, do we specify which types are acceptable and fine/jail people who aren't complying for reckless endangerment? Do we fine people for practicing bad mask hygiene that could potentially spread the virus? And if we really want to prevent the spread, why is no one wearing googles to protect their eyes and making sure that every one else does the same? [1] [2]
  3. Math-U-See does a good job at teaching basic concepts and it’s mastery. There is a short video to watch once a week that explains the concept for the unit, which my dd and I watch together, and an instructor’s manual with added teaching and a fully-worked answer key if we get stuck. If you have any specific questions, I can try to answer them. Another option, which I haven’t used but have heard good things about, is Videotext Algebra.
  4. Apologies for the late response; I had family visiting. WA was under stay-home orders until May 31. The phased reopenings that were happening in some counties were still under those orders with very limited allowances. I did find it refreshing to get off here and away from the doom and gloom, so I will not be coming back to the chat board 🙂.
  5. Yes, it is very fortunate, and yes, I understand exponential growth. I also understand closing down for a few weeks to get a handle on the situation. People in my area have been under a SIP order since March 23 and it's still in place. There have been very few cases where I am, an hour away from Seattle, even though for the last eight weeks instead of coming into contact with people at work (a place where contact tracing would be relatively painless), people have been coming into contact with others in droves at grocery stores, Lowes, Target, Walmart, and outside of work. I don't understand closing down a country as big as America all at the same time for almost two months. Most areas were prepared to open up after a month and then maybe people would have taken rolling shutdowns in hotspots a little more seriously and with a better overall outlook. Chicken Little is still a story told to children for a reason. Opening is happening in different times in different states, which I do understand, but the states that are opening up are getting smeared in the mainstream media as places where governors want people to die. I totally get that this is a crazy situation all the way around and hindsight is 20/20.
  6. You mentioned finances and mental health as being possible differentiating factors. I don't have overall stats for the U.S. I was just relaying the one data point and how neither things you mentioned as possibly accounting for the difference between countries are factors for that one hospital. It was in a very young and active population who were essentially told to stay at home, get paid for doing nothing, and isolated for two weeks and then a month and then two months and then...all while watching the media do what the media does. Heck, maybe the difference is the way the media is handling this in different countries? Maybe it is the number of hot spots a country has? There were very few covid patients in my mom's hospital, never more than one at a time. They were all older with poor health to begin with and were discharged within a few days. None of the people under 60-65 who were diagnosed had any reason to be admitted. Almost all of the other health services were put on hold. If it wasn't covid-related or you weren't on the verge of death, you probably weren't getting seen. Her concerns, now that they are starting to open up, are 1. How to manage two months of backlogged appointments on top of current appointments. 2. How much extra care are all of the patients with pre-covid problems going to need because they were deemed non-essential and 3. Catching all of the illnesses, like cancer, that could have been caught and started treatment already. Outside of the few hotspots we have had, I think a lot of the hospitals here are in a similar situation.
  7. My mom works with the military, so there was no loss of income, people were on the younger side, (20s), and all had free access to mental health resources. She speculated that since we are social creatures, keeping individuals isolated for months and months while the goal posts are constantly moving is erasing hope for the future. She said some more about freedoms and oaths, but that's probably not for this forum. I hope the person you know gets the help he/she needs.
  8. Thanks for pointing that out. I was trying to make dinner and thought I could type a few sentences on my phone while doing that. Obviously, multitasking is not something I should do!
  9. Anecdotal: My mom is a high-level admin at a larger hospital. She has seen suicide attempts triple in the last eight weeks. These are all people who have not lost income.
  10. I wrote this response out a few hours ago and didn't get to post it, so this may have been said already. I'm not sure what your kids' ages are, but for us, as full-time homeschoolers, moving from an 1100 sq. ft house to a 2600 sq. ft house before my oldest hit teenage years (and we added more dogs) was a game changer! We have three kids, three large dogs, and more sanity now. We gave ourselves a Move Date and jumped when the market got more favorable. For the vehicle situation, we were opposite of you. I always use things until there is no possible way they are salvageable. Dh said he didn't want the older vehicle to break down with just me and the girls during one of our frequent long road trips. I had to dig that response out, though. The compromise was I got to pick the vehicle since I was the budget person and the one who would be the primary driver. We go on marriage retreats once every few years and there is always a good chunk of time spent on finances. The best advice I have heard that applies to us is: Usually there is one person who likes to budget and one who doesn't. Give the budgeting to the one who likes it most with the caveat that the other person must at least look over the budget every month. Since my husband knows too many people who have died suddenly, we have added to that: the bill information is in a central location and spelled out to a "t" so that if anything should happen to the bill payer, the other one can easily pick it up and carry on. Best wishes for a healthy discussion and agreeable outcomes!
  11. That is why I linked this study and referred to the masks that I did. The doctors may be more aware of what different masking outcomes are in their setting (HCW) and extrapolating to the general population, not having any concrete data on cloth masking indoors v. no mask for the ordinary Joe. As far as the article you shared, there looks like there could very well be confounding factors at play, such as skin color (Asian v. Latino...if vitamin D has a role) and overall hygiene (masking v. working while sick). So you are right, we don’t know for sure. Also, and this is off-topic but calls attention to the reporting, it starts out about the similarities between the groups: “Both are high-density areas with similar socioeconomic profiles. They’re linked by the usually crowded No. 7 train. Nearly half of workers in both neighborhoods are employed in food service, construction, cleaning and transportation — jobs that New York State has deemed essential through the pandemic. Residents of both places typically have household income below the Queens median and a similar share of people who lack health insurance, as measured by the U.S. Census Bureau. And almost half of apartments and houses in both areas have more than one occupant per room, the Census definition of crowded.” But then says near the end, “What’s happening right now with both Latino and African Americans is a good illustration of the power of the social determinants, economic, environmental and structural determinants of health. Things like poverty levels, access to food — especially healthy food. And right now, for many, many families it’s just food, any kind of food,” said Dr. Sergio Aguilar-Gaxiola, director of the UC Davis Center for Reducing Health Disparities.” So those things don’t matter if you’re Asian now? Only if you’re Latino or African American? I’m not asking you, specifically; just thinking out loud. I have enjoyed the discussions on this board 😉!
  12. Maybe they had a study like this in mind? This study has two other studies linked, which refer to N95 and medical masks. PubMed has a rabbit trail of similar studies. “In the univariate analysis, all outcomes were significantly higher in the cloth mask group, compared with the medical masks group. After adjusting for other factors, ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) remained significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group.”!po=50.0000
  13. We used this last year: litera&Ntt=516751&item_code=WW&Ntk=keywords&event=ESRCP A few of the lessons/concept builder activities are Christian, so you could just use it as another list for ideas or use it as a jumping off point to build a completely secular study. It was meaty, so we cut a book. I also assigned three of the longer books as summer reading, with assignments/discussions completed as they came up in the schedule throughout the year. If you have any specific questions, I still have the student book 🙂.
  14. I should have not used a qualitative ("drastically") metric. 30% fewer people makes what kind of difference, quantitatively? Would you mind if we nerd-out and you share your calculations if 100% of the population gets it compared to 70%? And the numbers when a good treatment is found is all speculative, right? Because if we find it soon, then how much of the population will have had it under current conditions compared to the numbers under the new conditions? Right now, the CDC is reporting about 1,600,000/330,000,000 have been infected. If we can find a treatment soon, will the number even go over 1% under current conditions? 5%? All of the numbers, 100%, 70%, 5%, and 1%, are all speculative, but I think the lower ones are most likely to be the ones we eventually land at, considering our ingenuity. Let's say 5% of the population gets it under current conditions; where does that put the calculations? I would not bet that this is going to go through an overwhelming majority of the population under the current conditions. I would bet that we will get a handle on this by the time numbers reach low single-digits, making all of these estimates of 2,200,000 Americans dying a moot point.
  15. Herd immunity will kick in at 60-80% depending on which "expert" you think is correct, so your numbers would change dramatically, correct? And if we happen to find some sort of standard treatment protocol sooner rather than later, that would also decrease the mortality rate? So to say that there is a 10% chance someone you know will die is only correct using numbers and treatments we have now and if 100% of the population is infected?
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