Beth in Mint Hill Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Or James Sire's Habits of the Mind. Christopher Perrin recommends it along with Sertillanges :) I've read this one, too. I liked it, but it's about 50 percent quotes...seems to be meant as a book of meditations on the thinking life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share Posted March 3, 2014 I agree with you here. Another thing to keep in mind is that TWTM is a "how to" book on classical homeschooling, while N&N was written to those starting and leading schools. If SWB was writing a book on the philosophy behind CE it might come across more like Hicks' book. By the way--when I went to the Circe conference a couple of years ago I met and talked to Mr. Hicks in the hallway. It was the highlight of my trip! He lives in Montana and has a consulting organization now (if I remember correctly). I read N&N a long time ago, and just loved it. Have never understood why people find it so difficult, but I guess that's because it is so philosophical. (I loved studying philosophy when in college - and ever afterwards! :) Beth, I hope you pop in and add your thoughts to the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco_Clark Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I've read abolition and leisure, but I've always been intimidated by norms and nobility. There's also of course the problem that my library doesn't have it, and its 45 dollars (!) on amazon.... I can't find a kindle version. I'm following along on this conversation though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serendipitous journey Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 ... And I want to hear the details of your disagreement. I would love to be involved in the discussion but unfortunately The Abolition of Man is the only one of these books available for Kindle and I have no library. [cue pity] oh, you are kind. I'm so so glad other folks like discussing the various aspects of these things, too. I think I should save my critique for the Discussion Proper, yes? but will PM the gist of it to you today or tomorrow (the weekend at the latest!) and include enough of the material around the quote to give some context ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorrelZG Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 oh, you are kind. I'm so so glad other folks like discussing the various aspects of these things, too. I think I should save my critique for the Discussion Proper, yes? but will PM the gist of it to you today or tomorrow (the weekend at the latest!) and include enough of the material around the quote to give some context ... Thank-you. I will be looking forward to it. I'm impatient for the Discussion Proper since I don't have the book to read in the meantime so your PM will be a kind mercy. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 45 is crazy! It was expensive when I bought it, but not that much, I don't remember the exact price but I am pretty sure I did not pay $45 for a paperback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellieK Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 My N&N came yesterday and I finished Leisure. I was going to start N&N, but I think I want to read Leisure again so I can make sure I get it. I am excited to start discussing these ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth in Mint Hill Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Beth, I hope you pop in and add your thoughts to the thread. Hi Mouse! I thought that this was the discussion of N&N. But now judging by what some are saying, I am thinking that this book discussion is happening somewhere else, right? :huh: Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakeside Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 45 is crazy! It was expensive when I bought it, but not that much, I don't remember the exact price but I am pretty sure I did not pay $45 for a paperback. When I bought mine it was a little less expensive at Circe than on Amazon. I think media mail shipping was free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakeside Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Hi Mouse! I thought that this was the discussion of N&N. But now judging by what some are saying, I am thinking that this book discussion is happening somewhere else, right? :huh: Beth I think it is going to take place here. When it was first mentioned, I think it was suggested to start in a couple of weeks to give people time to get the book. (And maybe do some pre reading? That's what I've been *trying* to do. I need to get cracking on Leisure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think it is going to take place here. When it was first mentioned, I think it was suggested to start in a couple of weeks to give people time to get the book. (And maybe do some pre reading? That's what I've been *trying* to do. I need to get cracking on Leisure. That's my impression too! I read Leisure last month and yesterday I got Abolition of Man from the library :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellieK Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think it is going to take place here. When it was first mentioned, I think it was suggested to start in a couple of weeks to give people time to get the book. (And maybe do some pre reading? That's what I've been *trying* to do. I need to get cracking on Leisure. I panicked for a moment thinking that I was missing out on the discussion somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco_Clark Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 When I bought mine it was a little less expensive at Circe than on Amazon. I think media mail shipping was free. Its 40$ at Circe, and I did find a 37 dollar used copy on Amazon but I think its just plain too expensive for me right this moment. I've searched and searched for an e-version but I cant seem to find one. It may have never been converted. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Hi Mouse! I thought that this was the discussion of N&N. But now judging by what some are saying, I am thinking that this book discussion is happening somewhere else, right? :huh: Beth Right here! I just didn't want you to forget about us. :D Anytime all of you want to start, go ahead, I just wanted to give people time to read a bit first. As to the price, yeah, it's a tough one. My only consolation is that it is one of the books that has changed my schooling philosophy the most, and so I see a lot of value for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caclcoca Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 I haven't read it yet, but I finally found a used copy on Amazon for around $20 right before Christmas. If you keep watching, you might find it cheaper too. Good luck! I was going to start reading N and N this weekend, but after reading this thread I'm off to order Leisure and Abolition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amie Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I clicked on this by accident. I'm glad I did bc I thought it was going to be a discussion on the different eds of the WTM. For those reading Abolition of Man, you might enjoy this lecture by Kreeft. Kreeft is unapologetically Catholic, so his POV is definitely philosophically from that direction. His love for Lewis and discussion around the devolution of man to the trousered ape is an enjoyable listening experience from my perspective (but I am also unapologetically Catholic and a diehard Lewis fan and Kreeft fan, too) http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio/13_lost-in-the-cosmos.htm I have N&N on a shelf somewhere.....never read more than a few pages. I am in an intellectual funk, so I am game if I can find the book. Thanks for posting the Kreeft lecture again. I finally listened to it this morning and really enjoyed it. I've had it saved on my to-do list since you posted it, I don't know, years(??) ago! I recently finished my second read of Abolition... so the timing was right. I've had N&N on my Amazon wishlist for years now too, but it is expensive and I have so much to read... (We'll see if you all talk me into it.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellieK Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 When will everyone be ready to discuss N&N? I started it this weekend. I am almost done with the intro, and am excited to see what I can learn from you ladies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 You all want to start tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 You all want to start tomorrow? Fine by me! :) Are you going to make a new thread? Of use this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellieK Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 You all want to start tomorrow? Yes, I am ready! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakeside Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I was finally able to start on N&N yesterday! Is the plan to go through it chapter by chapter or is it more of a read it through and bring any thoughts you'd like to discuss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellieK Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I was hoping it would be a chapter by chapter discussion. I think there is just too much in it to make it a one time discussion, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariasmommy Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I think a new thread with Norms and Nobility in the title would make it easier to find and others might see it and join in, but I'll go with what everyone else decides. :) I may not post much, but I'll definitely be following along! Reading others thoughts helps me clarify my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 I was hoping it would be a chapter by chapter discussion. I think there is just too much in it to make it a one time discussion, Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 OK, here's the discussion thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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