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  1. Ok, tell me what Latin program you adore. I need it to be high school level/rigorous enough to count as a foreign language credit. I need it to have at least 2 years (with the understanding that it generally takes us 3 years to finish two years of Latin because I'm big on review). I'd like it to be engaging. I realize Latin is Latin, but must it be dry as dust!?!? It doesn't need to be for absolute beginners as these are students who did both years of Song School Latin (over 3 years) and two years of Latin for Children (also might end up taking us 3 years). I'd like it to include plenty of review, though I can build in review myself if needed (obviously since I have never finished a book in a year).
  2. I use light blue with my 7yo daughter, and blue with my 12yo daughter. For my 7yo I chose light blue as this is her only math curriculum and I wanted all topics covered, in "grade level" order. She is not advanced, so I don't expect to get ahead of grade in any topic, and I didn't want the trouble of having to organize what I'd be teaching. We simply started at the beginning, and are working to the end, getting as much done as she can in 20 minutes a day. I save all chapter review pages to cycle back to later, and did not purchase the test book. I use the blue series with my 12yo daughter as a supplement, because she has learning disorders that create gaps in her math understanding. She uses Teaching Textbooks independantly in the morning, and MM with me in the afternoon ONLY on topics she needs further help in or review in. What she's struggling with may be presented in her grade level, or it may be from a previous grade- so topical makes a lot more sense than progressive. As an added bonus I've pulled from this series for my other children (using Beast Academy or Miquon) as well when they've needed help. So I suggest Light Blue if you are wanting entire grade level overview learning or review, but Blue if you are wanting to fill gaps, give extra help in struggling areas, or move ahead of grade level in choice topics.
  3. I'm going to share my (painful) story in case it helps. Not as advice, because I have no idea if what I did is right...but as one perspective. I have a student (currently age 10) much like what you are describing. He fought me every step of the way, every year. No learning or behavioral disabilities, actually quite smart. But lazy and argumentative and distracting to everyone. He fought constantly with me and his siblings. I tried lowering expectations, I tried raising expectations. I tried rewards. I tried consequences. I tried pulling dad in. I tried independant checklist style work. I tried side by side all day supervision. I would ask him to read 10 minutes and he would hold a book and stare at the wall beyond it, then lie and said he read. If given a math page he would guess every answer, then cry if asked to do it again. Every group lesson was peppered with commands to stop calling the dog, stop touching his sister, stop talking, ect I sent him to public school in 3rd grade. Our relationship and his relationship with siblings immediately improved. He was horribly bored, and not at all challenged, but grades were excellent. He occasionally in trouble at school for being a distraction, but behaved much better for teachers than he ever had for me. At the end of the year he begged to come home, he swore it would be better and he had "learned his lesson" that a short day at home was better than a long one at school. So I homeschooled him for 4th grade. Things were better for a month, and then worse than ever. Total resistance again. His behaviors affected everyone. I was exhausted, cranky, and ready to quit homeschooling. The other kids complained I was cranky and that this child made the day long for everyone. TBH we hated each other. I sent him back to public this year for 5th grade. He's bored again, yes. So far no reports of naughtiness. But our homeschool is 100% improved. My other kids LIKE to learn, we are all having fun again, and I'm not cranky all the time. I won't ever homeschool him again.
  4. I meant by 6 years the 3 LFC and 3 Latin Alive. My oldest 3 kids did both Song School books in elementary slowly over 3 years. Latin for Children A in 5/6th/6th grade Latin for Children B in 6th/7th/7th grade Then I'm projecting : Latin for Children C in 7th/8th/8th Latin Alive 1 in 8th/9th/9th Latin Alive 2 in 9th/10th/10th But then my oldest two will start at the community college and drop Latin. If I skipped C I could fit in 3. But the more I look the more I wonder if I'll do a different Latin course all together for high school. I've wondered about burn out too. My oldest two love Latin. My younger one in this group, not so much. My current 4th grader JUST started Song School with my second graders. I used to regret that he didn't join the olders (he is a struggling reader and had bigger fish to fry) but now I wonder if he's not better off than his Latin hating older brother.
  5. That helps a lot, thanks so much! First, I'd love to see your schedule. Second, Do you think its best to do LFC3 before doing LA1? Or would it work out to do LFC 1 then 2, then go right to LA? I ask because my children both plan on leaving latin in the 10th grade when they go to running start. There is a chance we wont fit all 6 books in within that time limit. All being said, hearing your experience I may just go ahead and look at other high school latin programs. My kids arent burnt out (yet) but do not enjoy LFC nearly as much as song school. Maybe thats inevitable but surely someone out there is making latin fun (ish). The dvds were a swing and a miss here, we dont use them at all. It means a lot of side learning for me, but so far I'm keeping up!
  6. My middle schoolers are currently in CAP's Latin for Children B and I'm looking ahead. After Latin for Children did you go on to Latin Alive? It looks like it "starts over". Is this true? Does that make it to easy for students that have done all three levels of Latin for Children? Or does the background just make it a bit easier while the program moves faster and deeper? Do you suggest a different program for High School? I'll admit I just kind of fell into Latin for Children, because it came after Song School, which we loved. We don't necessarily love LFC, the chants leave a lot to be desired- but neither do we hate it, it gets the job done.
  7. My middle schoolers are in CAP's Latin for Children B and I'm looking ahead. After Latin for Children did you go on to Latin Alive? It looks like it "starts over". Is this true? Does that make it to easy for students that have done all three levels of Latin for Children? Or does the background just make it a bit easier while the program moves faster and deeper? Do you suggest a different program for High School? I'll admit I just kind of fell into Latin for Children, because it came after Song School, which we loved. We don't necessarily love LFC, the chants leave a lot to be desired- but neither do we hate it, it gets the job done.
  8. In the case of my 6th graders, they both mastered basic organization and mechanics in 4th/5th grade. They can churn out a 1-2 page narrative either fictional or non fictional that is clear and complete. So for middle school my goals will focus more around style (varied sentences, interesting/precise word choice, ect) and the forming and relating of opinions (don't just retell the information, but build off it). Basically transitioning from narratives to essays. I'd also like to master research reports using several sources by the end of middle school.
  9. I've been encouraging my kids to "decide" what they want to do by 8th grade, because I would really love for 8th-12th to be in the same situation. My state also begins counting required classes in 8th grade (state history, for example, ONLY being offered in 8th). And like others have said, it gives a year to adjust before grades start to matter. I feel similar to 5th grade, in that I'd hesitate for a child to start public for the first time in 6th (in my area this is the first year of middle school and a huge jump in responsibility). So our big switch years tend to be 5 and 8. So far I've only had one choose to transition to public.
  10. I've never had to push this for 5/6 of my kids. But one (currently 11 yo girl) has "PE" 3 times a week on her checklist because otherwise she would not move. Ever. And it shows pretty rapidly in her attitude tbh. We do hike as a family once a week and she is allowed to use that as one PE day as long as it isn't cancelled for some reason. As for the other days, we made a list of ideas for her to pick from but she needs to be active for at least 30 minutes. Things off the top of my head that are on her list: take the dog for a walk, roller skate, ride a bike, jump rope, do a yoga video via youtube, swim (we have a pool, though obviously this only works in summer), jump on the trampoline, take younger siblings to the park and play with them, turn on some music and dance. We have some free weights and that would be a great option too if she would do it. She wont, but yours might. Obviously my goal isn't sports skills or even muscle building as much as just general activity.
  11. It's been in production forever, and every time they hit their estimated date it gets pushed back another 6 months to a year. That being said I only know that because I've been watching it the past few years hoping it's actually going to be finished! So I do hope you are right.
  12. Agreeing with others that while I don't see anything missing, per se, I'm surprised he can get done in that time. I had two 5th graders last year. My struggling daughter also uses TT, but our rule was that she had to spend at least 30 min. Sometimes, especially in the early review lessons, this meant 2 in a day. Then they both spent at least an hour on language arts; a writing lesson or project daily and alternating grammar and spelling. That's an hour and a half right there. I'd also agree that at this age 20-30 min a day may not be enough history and science, and he could possibly go above and beyond his siblings. That being said I wouldn't add things just to add them. Especially if he's keeping himself healthily occupied during his free time and learning at a level you are happy with, awesome. 2 hour school days it is! If he's bored, or not using his time wisely things you could add in are: a second math program (TT can be light), a foreign language, art, music appreciation, an instrument, a skill or craft like baking, computer programming, logic, geography and cultures, government (an election is coming up and kids this age pay attention), a physical exersize like running or archery, or really any interest.
  13. TC includes some grammar but not a ton, and not at the level you are describing.
  14. I have two sixth graders next year. Personally, our biggest focus for both is increasing independence/self-organization. It's a lot of "Toss them in and see how they do". (After years of me organizing everything, and then a year of doing it together). They will be switching from a daily checklist to a weekly, for example, which feels huge and gives them a lot of space to screw up. 😜 As for your plan... Math looks great. If he likes AOPS pre-al there's no reason to leave. My son felt like it was too much/took too much of his time, and we are moving on to Keys to and Jacobs. I can't speak to reading as we've never done any formal lit. We are a read, narrate, discuss family 🙂 We are doing middle ages for history too, and there are so many good/great books in that time period!! Beowulf, Arthurian legends, Robin Hood, so yes, look at WTM selections. Science I'd honestly go interest-led. There are SO MANY amazing living science books and now that my middle schoolers can read at an adult-level it's a whole new world. Ambleside has excellent suggestions. PE and music looks covered. I find CAP easy to teach, personally. But since public is the plan I'd find out what they expect as far as writing goes and make sure you covered that. Our schools seem to focus a LOT on free-flow creative writing at this age, for example, while essays are still barely touched. Cooking would be cool! Honestly it looks like a great year.
  15. This is super similar to my middle schoolers' year. The only thing we add is a required reading list (I read too so we can discuss but it's very informal). I'm finding that I can't pile on as much as I expected to when they were in the grammar years. Partly puberty makes learning hard. Partly they are both so busy with their own (worthwhile) interests. So I appreciate Momto6's comment.
  16. This sounds like both of my 11 year olds- easy to offend/upset, easily overwhelmed/frustrated, snappish and rude to siblings, lethergic and not interested in exercise. The only thing you left out is inability to think, mine forget what a fraction is, forget how to spell things, forget their own name basically. I think you are doing great to get him outside. Fresh air and exercise is huge. So is getting enough sleep and regular healthy snacks. Honestly I just pretend they are toddlers again. How would I react to this meltdown if they were 3? Probably a snack, a nap, and a trip to the park. 🤣 Stay calm and wait it out mama. You arent alone.
  17. I behind by deciding on goals for each child. So for math maybe that's finish 5th grade in 5th grade. Or be ready for Algebra at the end of the year. Or be confident manipulating numbers 10 and under. For writing that may be learning to form letters or become confident in essays. It might even be as simple as "exposure to and appreciation of botony". Then I pick curricula or make a plan that will achieve said goal. I split that plan or curricula into three. One for each season (sept-nov, dec-feb, mar-may). I then split each season into 10 weeks, leaving off two weeks for breaks or holidays or catching up. I look at that and then adjust or combine kids as necessary to reflect reality. I do all of that in the spring. Then I plan in the minutae 5 weeks at a time. Hopefully during one of those handy 2 week breaks.
  18. I would do SS2. We did both SSL abd then LFC A. The three SS books took us 3 years, as we moved slow with lots of review. When we started LFC my kids were 10, 10, 9, and 8. Honestly, my 8 year old struggled a bit. It's a LOT of grammar, and very quickly. SS is much more fun and gentle.
  19. They have very generous samples in their website, including schedules. If I'm remembering correctly, they have a 3 and 4 day a week option (with the 4th day being largely rhetoric and sharing of work), to cover a lesson a week. I found the first two books easy to split into 2 days a week. The first day we covered the Talk About It and shorter grammar/writing exercises, the second day we did the longer writing project and the Speak It portion. Those took about 20-30 minutes, working with two kids at once. The next couple books I've found require 3-4 days per lesson, depending on the week. The 4th day is Speak It and any necessary finishing up. My oldest two kids did start skipping the Speak It, which made it 3 days, as they are both very involved in theatre. But I have my middle two kids do that section to help with enunciation, breath control, and all that other public speaking goodness. We only ever do 2 books a year. We spend the extra weeks polishing our favorite writing projects from the program, and doing other "fun" side writing.
  20. I've done it twice, with very different results. The first time was a "sunlight" basement that had teeny tiny windows (so no sunlight). It was only partially finished and while we put up bookshelves and a carpet, it wasn't inviting. I also had toddlers/babies. It lasted a week...maybe. it was dim and cold, and I needed to be able to multitask (watch littles out of the corner of my eye, feed snacks, do dishes, ect). The second time was a new split level home with a large room available off the backyard. It had real windows, a sliding glass door, and good heating. My kids were all 6 and over. I wasnt miltitasking anymore, tbh, because teaching 6 kids was enough!! I adore our school space now.
  21. I have one of those (also 11). Our perfect mix has been Math Mammoth for mastery and Teaching Textbooks for review. At first we did both every day, as a TT lesson only took about 15 min. But then TT started getting harder so we are now doing MM on M/W/F, and TT on T/The. TT does run about a grade below MM, it's worth noting. That works great for us as it's solid REVIEW, but if you want the same topics Id suggest going a grade up in TT. I've tried to use Math Mammoth alone, using pages from different sections to self spiral. It was a total fail, somehow not enough mastery OR review. 🙄.
  22. Probably because in my (relatively short) 7 years homeschooling I've never seen any topic get hysterical and mean faster than the CC debate. 😂 People have STRONG opinions. And moderators don't have time for it.
  23. With 6 kids some independance is necessary. I start giving my kids daily checklists in 2nd grade, with a lot of handholding. By 3rd I really do expect those items done by the end of the day (although I still CHECK every day). By 6th grade I'm checking weekly (and they can move items around). My current 3rd grader has: Daily reading minutes (30) Audiobook assignments Copywork Piano practice Latin review on Headventureland Typing practice Chores Hygene items like shower reminders My older kids have done math facts review either by game, flash cards, or worksheets (he already knows his facts) or written narrations (he's not ready) at this age. We had workbook spelling one year done mostly via checklist (it wasn't successful). I'll also start them off onath or a writing project and write to finish it up.
  24. Im only a but further than you, level 4. I guess it depends what you are trying to improve. For me, in level 1 (fable) my goal was just getting thoughts on paper, and the general idea that you could do so in several ways. It fulfilled that goal well in all 4 kids I've had use it (for the record in 3rd or 4th grade as reccomended). In the next two levels (narratives 1 and 2) I increased my goal to interesting writing. Varied sentences, use of description and dialogue, ect. My natural writer succeeded at this much more than my struggling writer. I can see her using the tools learned in other writing, but he needs to be reminded to use them. I've only used these books with these 2 kids, both in 4th (narrative 1) and 5th (narrative 2) grade at the time. Next year I'll have my upcoming 4th and 5th use them. The next level after this (Cheria) switches gears to essay writing. We had never done any essay writing before so this was the biggest seen improvement. I feel like both my kids can churn out an ok essay using this template with little stress or effort, and a good essay with a couple days and maybe for my struggler some sweat and tears. They were in the last half of 5th grade. The next book is another form of essay, and I'm looking forward to some variety from the praise, interpret, explain, compare, contrast, finish up format. I'm happy with, and plan on continuing the series. For the record I think it works best with kids on the later age of their recomended spectrum, though.
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