Not online, but I recently checked out one from the library that might be good for that age. The website says recommended for grades 5-8, but I would say a bit younger if there has been previous exposure. It is one of the Schlessinger Media DVDs...a bit old-school but reasonably so... http://www.libraryvideo.com/product.asp?mscssid=83TAK8SAQ1SP8JHB8BBU5HEHAVPX12U5&sku=V6214

British hubby has convinced my dd and I of the necessity of elevenses:) It really works for us as we tend to eat breakfast light and late, have a snack at eleven, and lunch just before 1 pm. That way we aren't totally starving after gymnastics/swimming/piano etc in the late afternoon.

Hhmm, not an expert by far as my dd is still young...but we have worked through all the Lollipop Logic books, Critical Thinking, and Safari Logic you are thinking of. Honestly, if you did all 3 LL books, I think you will find Analogies for Beginners quite basic. Safari Logic is listed I think as 2nd grade, but after exposure to LL it will go VERY quickly. Even Mindbenders 2 may be a bit simple, although be just finished level 1. I have just ordered the first few books of this critical thinking and logic series, as I liked the fact that there are multiple logic activities included. It should be here soon and I can let you know:) http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1494830930/ref=pd_aw_sbs_1?pi=SL500_SY115

This makes perfect sense to me. We do something similar, as we have 'math baths' twice per week. This entails about a million different waterproof math manipulatives, measuring devices, etc... But another thread altogether:) We do a lot of mental math in the bath, in the car, and waiting in various places. My kiddo actually started it: her self-proclaimed nickname is 'Charlie Chicken' and she made up a game called No Trickin' my Chicken. Mental math is all the rage, but to expand upon her initial forays I did use a whiteboard to demonstrate intermediate steps. She also used her fingers to make say, sign language numbers on her right hand for tens and then on her left hand for ones, or similar when she was learning to keep the numbers in her head. Another thing that really, really helped her was Soraban. Soroban is Japanese Abacus training. Since it is Asian-style math it goes really, really well with RS, Singapore math, and MIF, all of which we have done or do. If you haven't seen it, there are a million YouTube videos. Eventually, you work towards Anzan, a mental, virtual abacus in your head. That being said, even beginners start to picture that abacus in your head and it makes mental math sooo much easier:)

Wow, I am surprised, heartened...and dismayed at how many mis-understood, mis-diagnosed situations exist for others! I think I actually am a poster child for imposter syndrome. I always knew I was different, but not necessarily in a good way. I had a seriously disfunctional family, and the only thing that saved me was an amazing grandmother who happened to be a librarian. I read very well an very early, and started Kindy a year early. But I had issues, primarily behavioral, mostly stemming from home life. I am fairly certain my teachers hated me, but in third grade all of my friends went to a gifted pullout program...and I did not. I later learned (as in 15 years later!) that it was only by teacher recommendation. But since I didn't know then I guess I believed I must not be 'smart in the same way.' This was compounded by the fact that my mom volunteered with the GT program. She fought to get me in, had me independently assessed by a psychologist, but never told me the results because she thought it would go to my head. Unfortunately, this lead me to believe that I only got into the GT program and things like Odyssey of the Mind our GT program did due to nepotism:) In HS I was bored an opted to do most work independently with the teachers approval, and ended up graduating at 15. I went straight to college on a academic/soccer scholarship...but wow! I needed some structure:) I joined the army, spent some time 'traveling the world' and eventually was injured, resulting in a full medical retirement...which resulted in IQ tests to determine whether I was a reasonable investment in a college education:) My results and subsequent conversations with what functional family I have really changed my views on so many things... Now I have mixed emotions...I always felt like IQ was just a number, and obviously intelligence, success, and grit are sooo much more. I guess I can definitely now see both sides of the coin, the WHY of why it just might be important in certain situations for a child to be informed. We DO NOT tell my dd right now a number, or even that she is 'smart.' We talk about hard work, perseverance, and determination...but I will always remember that someday, it just might be important to how she sees her world.

Mine too! I just spent about a month researching every option. Safety, compatibility for new parts, greatest variation on accessories, reviews, and service. That was the biggest draw. They were willing to put together pretty much anything for me. Our new set gets delivered and set up next week! I think I am as excited as my dd will be-it is to be a suprise:)

Love the idea of doing it in Spanish! My kiddo would really love that:) We do 'calendar time' daily but it is really a catch-all for all sorts of memory work, discussion of current events, upcoming holidays, etc., which is the only reason it has survived. Dd has a board she fills out with date, time, vocabulary word of the day, idiom of the day, and Spanish phrase of the day from a kids phrase book. And a BrainPop video...

Have you seen the game/challenge Sixty-second sweep? Here is a YouTube clip of it, including a link for the printable honeycomb of products. The idea is that you do the multiplication facts backwards...so you name the factors basically, and you try to get all the way through in 60 seconds or less:) My kiddo memorized multiplication tables as a suprise Xmas present for daddy last year with the visual stories from multiplication.com, so this was the next step to make sure they were cemented. Doing them this way was amazing in that she mastered simple division at the same time. I know your child is way past that, but this is such a fun method/challenge tht he may take to it. There is a 'competition' of sorts for kids to take the challenge, make their own video, that kind of thing. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SAmf1hhv8tQ

That's funny, because I remember thinking when you mentioned you were waiting for the book to arrive, that much of it would be redundant to what you are already doing:) It probably made a bigger impression upon me as my kiddo is four!

I love reading everyone else's experiences:) I am a mom of a seriously exhausting 4 yr old only child, and have a million moments a day where I think, hhmm, that is really cool and shockingly advanced when she comes up with something. And a million and a half moments where she does something so utterly ridiculous I can't believe the other moments weren't flukes😄 We can't go almost anywhere without comments (i LOATHE the 'she is SO smart! comments), looks of shock, or nasty judgemental reactions. So yes, I am fully aware of how the world around us views her...but it just feels like life at this point. Utterly exhausting life, but life. She is working ahead, by at least several grades in many areas, and has a crazy passion for anything math related, and this is probably my biggest indicator. I think it is harder in an academic-focused family with an only for the parents to differentiate between really gifted and really exposed in the beginning. There have always been those moments (like at age 14 months writing words on a board for her to look around the restaurant and either point or sign the word-another mom went nuts on me), but I didn't have a lot to compare it to! And now that she goes to a play-based preschool for 6 hours per week it is painfully obvious. I just thought so much was normal, lol!

It is entirely possible that your kiddo WILL be advanced. And I do think there is a distinct component of what they are exposed to. Not pushed, but exposed to in a fun and light-hearted manner. Make sure to put out lots of stimulating, open-ended toys/activities. I would say to make sure you don't bother with recommended age groups (other than safety-wise!) but with older children in the house this is surely not an issue:) If you want to read a bit more about some broad characteristics of advanced toddlers/preschoolers, here is a Rufs guideline list. I think it CAN be beneficial to identify early if you are even considering school options--if not, it is just another bit of info to file away. You won't have to do anything more than roll with it, strew lots of challenges in their path, and be prepared for a wild ride! http://talentigniter.com/ruf-estimates Oh. And try to get some rest now, because you will need a lot of it later:)

Mine is four, and we went through a period of her not listening to instructions. And she had no problem reading them herself, she just wanted to get to it! I finally started making it a point to play 'Simon Says' during non-work times. This forced her to listen more carefully, and was a lot of fun...then, if she wasn't paying attention at work time to specific instructions I could slip back into Simon Says mode. It always elicits a giggle, and she really does pay attention.

Thank you for the kind words. Unfortunately, we are now certain that this was/is a 'chemical' pregnancy. And the results of many, many tests came back. At least we have some answers, even if they aren't what we hoped for. Apparently both my hubby and I carry the gene for Factor V Leiden, a clotting problem. We knew there was history in his family for blood clots, but due to adoption my history was less clear. We aren't sure where we will go from here...it IS possible, we have one healthy child. But this can result in early losses...or serious problems/stillbirth in later trimesters. The next step will be meeting with fertility specialists to decide if/what to do next. Whilst we would love another child, I guess we will really need to gather information and discuss whether just because something CAN be done, should it in our specific situation. Thanks so much everyone for your kind words and thoughts...

Deja Vu? I just followed your link to Delta Camp, and my mathy kiddo read it next to me. She is bouncing up and down in excitement:) I told her we would have to see how much she still loves and works hard in math when she is old enough, lol! She is now in her room playing a 'game' where she calculates the perimeter and area of animal pens she is making out of 1 in blocks...and asked me if we could calculate the area of a Shamrock in honor of St. Patrick's Day. Uhhhh...

Maybe the same rabbit trail I followed, lol. I started Raising Freethinkers, veered off on Parenting Beyond Belief and other books by the same author, read the Secular Bible...and eventually ended up finally finishing RF some six months later😄

This made me laugh because at Christmas time we were at a friend's house. My dd was playing with a little toy set (FP little people?) that had a stable, an angel, animals, Mary and Joseph, the baby Jesus, and various bits and pieces. I laughed and laughed because my 4 year old daughter made up an elaborate story about how the female angel and Mary decided to have the baby Jesus together because 'I don't like boys and Joseph is a Boooyyy.' I think our hosts were horrified, and their 6 year-old kept trying to take over, very adamantly telling my kiddo that she wasn't 'doing it right.' But really...we encourage play and make-believe with all manner of plastic/wood play sets, then expect them to Immediately differentiate? ha:)

So sorry, I know exactly how awful a reaction to morphine is:( When I had my first hip surgery the doctors discovered my allergy to morphine. Absolutely dreadful. I had an anaphylactic reaction then, and the subsequent medicine made me sooo sick. It really does make the whole thing worse. All-over miserable, cranky, ill, and irritable. Not to mention the drugged feeling:( I hope your doctors at least gave you some Zofran to take as well for nausea and that you are able to get a bit of rest...and that your friend brings you lovely comfort food tomorrow:)

I have Raising FreeThinkers on Kindle and constantly refer to it for links and ideas. It would be truly exceptional if it included more extensive lists of curricula, but it has given me more insight into resources and curricula that I believed to be either secular or more neutral. I have no problems with curricula that is marketed with a Christian or other religious world view. It is almost fraud (or worse!) in my humble opinion, to market something as neutral or secular when it is not. I can work around something that has very upfront views. It is the insidious asides and sarcastic, scoffing little pseudoscientific commentary that drive me nuts and cause me to shelve a program after spending too much money on it. Raising Freethinkers has some nice ideas and information on how to avoid and combat that sort of thing.

Thanks for caring enough to ask:) Unfortunately, it doesn't look like we are going to have a good outcome. We were able to get back from Spring Break early enough on Thursday to have a repeat blood test. My HCG went up to only 21...in over a week. I have an appointment with the doctor first thing Monday, but he said in Friday that he believes we are looking at yet another 'chemical' pregnancy. He is referring us to another fertility specialist in a town 2 hours away, but we have been through so much with all of pregnancy ups and downs that we have to decide if we really can face even more:( Thanks to all of you who chimed in with stories and words of hope.

Thank you for this lovely break-down. I recently posted questioning the relative 'meatiness' of level 3 for my spelling-rule-loving dd. I think she is really going to enjoy the word analysis you have highlighted as she does a similar 'game' in our lessons. I can't wait for level 3 to arrive now:)

I thoughts of this thread today during an embarrassing moment... We were in the very-overcrowded public bathroom of a major science museum today. There was a very long line of people waiting, as is standard in public women's restrooms. I was holding the stall door to give my dd4 some 'privacy.' I asked her if she was about done as there were lots of people waiting, and she says 'not quite, she needed a minute...' Then, in a (loud!) straining whisper, I, along with everyone else, hear "Come on an#s, do your stuff!" So glad we don't live in that town because I have a feeling all those laughing ladies will remember dd😳

If you are simply wanting her to gain the information, there are a lot of great books and resources you can use... But I would think that given her age and interests, it would be very beneficial to have something in writing to add to her resume/portfolio when you want to convince serious researchers/field study organizers that she can not only back it academically, but is experienced and safe in a field environment. There are lots of specialized wilderness schools that offer camps and classes in just that kind of thing. Some of them are even academic-focused with camping/survival skills built in. Still others focus on confidence and leadership skills concurrently. And others are just plain fun:) Here is one fairly close to us that we know of by reputation. There may well be others closer to you. http://www.earthnativeschool.com/ Many of them eventually feed into college-level programs like Outward Bound as well. Also, have you seen the list of Adventurecamps? They have SO many cool ones around the nation/world, in every are you can imagine. Again, some have academic bents for pursuing things like environmental studies. http://www.adventurecamp.com/Adventure-Camps.aspx The other thing that I would consider would be certification in a wilderness first aid program. My nephew did one through a school in Colorado. It was not specifically marketed to kids, but he was able to take the course with his father. Since he wasn't legally an adult they gave him a provisional certificate stating he completed the training but could not legally be certified. I would imagine there are less involved wilderness medicine classes for kids. ETA: I DO agree she can get much of what she needs informally, but I know what it is like (at least the beginning of it!) when the kiddo wants/needs it NOW! I for no other reason than to feel as though forward progress toward their goal is being made.

I know that feeling! Last year when my dd was 3, every.single.camp we wanted to do was age 4 and up. Even now, very few of the summer camp activities she will be doing are local. This is why we are planning out vacation around some in other major cities. For chess camp we are timing our visit to my parents house in another state to correspond with the dates of the camp (it is only 2 hours/day for 5 days). But even our regular activities like Soroban and chess require us to drive 2 hours away for weekly class because they either don't exist locally or don't start until they are officially Kindy age...and my kiddo has a Dec bday which means she would wait a Looong time:)

Ha! That's hilarious I never noticed. The sound bothered me the first time I used the app, so we have always turned it off. Thanks for pointing that out as it would bother me as well:)

My dd used the story-based visual method from Multiplication.com. Each number is given a 'character' of sorts (two is shoe, three is tree, four is a door, five is a hive, etc.), with a picture to visualize. Once the child has those memorized, there are very short little stories that combine two characters to get a product. Such as 3 x 5 has a story about a tree (3) lifting (15) a hive (5) back into the tree with a cute picture to visualize. My kiddo was very young when she did these, but I have been routinely impressed by the genius of it. Eventually she got to the point where she rarely uses the clues, but when she moved to division I didn't have to do anything...she could remember the clues in reverse. There is an awesome game we did via a printout on YouTube called 60-second-sweep where you see the product and have to quickly recall the multiplier/multiplicand in a race to get them all done in 60 seconds. I showed it to her, and because of the way she memorized the facts she was able to do this after only a few practice runs. Multiplication.com sells their books on how to teach their method, but honestly you do not need them! The cute little flashcards are available as a $0.99 download and you can read the stories/play online activities and games for free. There is a similar set that is DVD-based called TimesTales, but we didn't use it.