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  1. Looking into logic curriculum for next year and my key need is budget friendly. Are the dvds necessary for Memoria Press’ Introductory Logic (and the following books)? Could we do the curriculum without the dvds?
  2. Online classes, groups, summer anything? She cannot take part in competitions in the fall. Best if affordable.
  3. Does anyone know of lesson plans to go along with these two books to flesh them out and make a high school class out of them? I'm not looking for alternatives to these books because I already own these and the online logic class I was going to have her take fell through, so I'm trying to scramble and put something together with what is on my shelves. TIA
  4. My son, 10th grade, is currently in Traditional Logic 1 w/MPA. Looking at Memoria Press Academy's schedule for next year, there is only one unattractive fall option for TLII (time-wise) and several good options for spring. But, Material Logic has a good time offer for the fall. It's not a big deal about taking ML in-between TLI and TLII, is there? Thanks, Rachel
  5. I am planning for 5th grade History and would appreciate your thoughts regarding sourcing books for the extra reading. My daughter will be studying history with her Uncle so she will need to have all the books with her to take to his house. The plan at the moment is to have a quick look at the pages to be covered in the week ahead (we will be using Usborne EWH as the spine) and borrow books on the topics she thinks she may be interested in studying further. In addition to this I'm going to buy a second hand encyclopedia set and we have the SOTW books which she absolutely loves. This is the plan. Back in the real world, it's a realistic expectation that I just won't make it to the library every week and if we do make it, often the books we want are not available (perhaps a plan might be to look ahead the whole month rather than the week). I am working single mother and despite good intentions and the best laid plans sometimes there are just not enough hours in the day. So, I would like to know if you think the encyclopedia and SOTW would be sufficient extra reading for those weeks where we are making do with what we have? Obviously the internet has a wealth of sites etc I would just prefer extra reading to from a physical book for the most part. Are there any other resources I could purchase that would be a worthwhile to add? I don't have a huge budget, but I will invest in quality resources if it covers many topics. TIA :)
  6. We have been using Memoria Press' middle school American History with my 7th grader: it uses Guerber's American History book and a student workbook/manual, and I would like to try moving us to a more WTM-style history. This child can do 2-level outlines and has experience writing WTM-style summaries, though those skills are a few months worth of rusty. I have Davidson's A Little History of the US and my child much prefers it to the Guerber. Other resources I have available include the DK's "Children's Encyclopedia of American History", Critical Thinking Company's US History Detective 1, and MapTrek US edition. I'm a little intimidated about WTM history b/c that has never worked out well with this child, who can be hard to teach and tends to skim his readings. He has developed a pretty good attitude, though, which encourages me. He will be motivated to do something other than the MP history ;) and one thing we've learned with MP is to do paired reading for things he skims, which forces him to slow down and lets me help when he doesn't understand something. Here are my questions/concerns: 1. So, I'm wondering if anyone has done a 1-year history with this as a spine? It is one of the WTM 4th ed. history options for seventh. I think that the history spine + Critical Thinking US history + Children's Encyclopedia + MapTrek would be a bit of overkill. Any suggestions for which of these resources are most complementary? 2. This still leaves us without much in the way of original documents. I do not have mental space/resources to piece something together; I can just go from the documents listed in WTM? is there a good resource for this? How critical is it? 3. History/literature component: I can continue on with our MP literature, or try for the WTM way. The advantage of MP is that the guides give me a feel for whether or not the child has read carefully/has good comprehension. The disadvantage is that he hates it. If we go the WTM route, I thought I could pull books American History books from the Early Modern and Modern lists. The other option would be trying to build a literature year that really grows his enthusiasm for "literature". Thoughts? thank you for thoughts. (RE literature, I had thought to design a fuller literature curriculum this year, but that fizzled with our puppy being rather labor-intensive) ETA: I thought I'd posted this on the logic board! so: I'm cross-posting there, too.
  7. I think I have decided upon a Traditional Logic 1 online course this coming fall. There are two locations I am looking at: Memoria Press(MP) and Homeschool Connections (HC). My questions are: 1) Has anyone had experience at MP with either of these instructors and can you please share? Thomas Achord Stephen Wolfe 2) At HC, Phillip Campbell is teaching the fall sem. of TL 1 (don't know yet about TL 2 in spring). I've read positive things about him here. My only issue is that we are not Catholic (but the cost is less, which is an incentive). Any opinions on him or how much Catholicism will be present in the course? Thanks, Rachel
  8. Hi. I'm Kris Langman, author of the Logic to the Rescue series. I'm currently writing the fourth book in the series and I'm taking suggestions for topics to cover, both in this book and in the rest of the books in the series. (I'm planning six to seven books in total). For example, a reader asked me to include some info about the Linnean system of classification, so I added info about this to the the third book, The Bard of Biology. Suggestions can be about logic, math, physics, chemistry, and biology. I'll try to include as many suggestions as possible as long as they work with the story and plot. Thanks! I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Kris Langman
  9. I'm planning on using this next year for my 5th-grade DD along with the Logic to the Rescue series. How have you all used it? Do you assign a certain number of pages to read and do some flashcards? Discussion? I won't have much time to do any discussion because of the number of children I'm teaching. Any suggestions?
  10. This year my boys are 9 (grade 4) and 11 (grade 5). We are doing the Prufrock Press logic books plus I am supplementing with some other puzzle books for my oldest. We do a lot of subjects together so I had given some thought to doing informal logic together as well, but I am concerned that my youngest (who will be 5th grade next fall) will be too young for it. His brother is only a grade higher but 21 months older and that can make a real difference sometimes. What I own so far and *could* use: The Thinking Toolbox The Fallacy Detective Art of Argument plus two workbooks I could possibly do this progression with my oldest: 6th--Thinking Toolbox/Fallacy Detective alone with mom 7th--Art of Argument with younger DS (then grade 6) 8th--formal logic (TBD) Thoughts on combining for Art of Argument in grade 6?? Can a 6th grader do this? I am mostly hearing people saying 7th or 8th for it, but based on the WTM progression we should be in formal logic by then.
  11. Did you like it? I see two versions on Amazon, a 2010 edition, and one from 1992. I can get the older much cheaper. Are they like workbooks that students write in? Does anyone know if there is a benefit (worth $10 more) to getting the newer edition, or if there is much change between the two editions? Thank you!
  12. I'm preparing for my oldest boy's entrance into the logic stage and wondering what to use for logic. I read TWTM to brush up on SWB's recommendations, and she recommends using some Critical Thinking Press workbooks for grades 5-6 as sort of pre-logic exercises. Did anyone use those, and how did you like them? Are they worth the money? I've also been looking at Reading and Reasoning, which I saw at CAP's site. Is this just busy work, or would it be like the Critical Thinking materials? Would it be too much work on language if I used Reading and Reasoning at the same time as a writing curriculum, grammar, spelling, lit guides, etc? I was going to go through the Bluedorn's books for logic in 5-6 grades, but do I also need the Critical Thinking workbooks? Thanks for any advice!
  13. Since Discovery of Deduction by CAP is an intro to formal logic, has anyone used Traditional Logic 2 AFTER DoD? I haven't compared the ToC, yet; though I don't know if I could tell that way, so hopefully some ono can advise here! Secondly, if a family would like both the langage-based logic AND the Math-based logic in high school, would this seqence be sensible? First: Fallacy Det/Thinking Toolbox Then: AofA OR Introductory Logic by Nance Next: Intermediate Logic by Nance Next: Discovery of Deduction OR Traditional Logic 1 Next: Traditional Logic 2 (even if they used DoD) Next: Argument Builder OR Classical Rhetoric Thanks, Rachel
  14. Hi folks, I am starting to plan for next year. My oldest will be in 6th grade. I looked through WTM in the logic chapter, and it looks like SWB recommends using "Critical Thinking" Books 1 & 2 by The Critical Thinking Company. I found a used copy from 1998 on Amazon (only Book 1) and a 2002 Book 1 and a 2005 Book 2 on Rainbow Resource, but when I went to the website for The Critical Thinking Company, I couldn't find those titles anywhere. Are they out of print? Do people still use them, or is there a different recommendation? We used "Building Thinking Skills" this past year. I appreciate any help you can offer. Erin
  15. I'd like to do some logic puzzles and critical thinking activities with my 4th and 5th graders next school year--for fun, not as a heavy academic pursuit. Sort of as prep for more formal study during middle school. Any ideas? Workbooks? Websites? Games?
  16. Apologies in advance for what may be a long post. Our son has had a rough few years - both with health issues (which are mainly sorted) and a disjointed education of school-homeschool-boarding school-homeschool. We are now in a position to take stock, plan and really take a big picture look at what we want his learning to achieve in the next few years. He is very asynchronous both in his learning - some subjects he is way ahead of his peers in school, some subjects a bit behind - and in things like comphrehension and attitude - at times he 'gets' stuff some adults don't get, at other times he struggles with things like really basic organisation. We have professional help for some of the 'issues' (his specialist describes it as 'he doesn't fit all the strict diagnostic criteria for Aspergers, but there is definitely something going on') so we are now getting in to the proper 'schooling' planning. At the end of the next month we are moving again, this time to Istanbul. The posting is hopefully for three years, so that will take us up until just before Willem turns 13. I am hoping that at that stage we can move on to the 'Rhetoric' stage. So what do we need to achieve in the next three years to get there? I know that there are a lot of materials out there that give me an idea of what he would be expected to be doing in a US/UK/Australian school system, but I am more interested in the hive mind's experience and ideas of where he could be. Ultimately I would like a bit of an end-state to work back from, taking in to account our interests, travel plans, lifestyle, priorities etc. Please give me your ideas on what a student ready to move on to the Rhetoric stage/Highschool looks like. What have they achieved? Where are their skills at? Feel free to be as prescriptive and specific or as vague and 'meta' as you like.
  17. Okay, so I'll just say it like it is - we don't like science curriculum, at least none that we've tried up until now. The farther along we get in this homeschooling adventure, the more I'm drawn to unschooling / interest led when it comes to science. Okay, and for history somewhat, too. :) But back to science - my oldest will be in 7th grade next year, so I'm just wondering what is enough but thorough at that point? Others who are drawn to interest led for science - what have you done at this point (middle school)? If you have kids separated by 3 grade levels, do you still try to combine them? I think part of the issue, too, is that I've had some chronic health issues. I need something that doesn't take a lot of prep. work on my part. I also don't do well if I have to "do" everything with all three of them. I've gotten bored/tired out myself when science means sitting there reading something to them, setting up an experiment and doing it, and then having them do a narration or something like that. Even If I'm very upbeat and excited about it. I guess it's kind of boring, too, when that's the same kind of thing we do for history (substituting coloring pages and map stuff for the experiments). But, really, it's more than that. It just seems like there's more retention if my kids learn about and pursue stuff they're truly interested in. I've considered BJU DVD science for my 7th grader next year, but it's a bit pricey for us. I guess I like the idea of someone else teaching it. :) But then it really wouldn't go with my idea of more interest led, if that's still "ok" at the 7th grade level. I'm afraid, with interest led, that I'll have to be constantly figuring out the "next step" as everything won't be laid out. So, basically, what "should" science look like at this point? I've wondered about possibly having the girls read some kind of science textbook (but it has to be interesting and with lots of pictures) that covers a lot of areas of science. Maybe it could have some questions they could answer (doubling as reading comprehension). But then, from that, we could see what interests them the most and get library books covering those topics. Should my 7th grader be writing papers? She's more math/sciency/hands on than language oriented. I just feel like we've kind of just been winging it, so what suggestions might any of you have, pretty please? :) So far we've focused on earth/astronomy (but probably more earth), a bit of anatomy, chemistry, and physics. Even though we get library books about animals, etc., I'm thinking it would make sense to focus on life science next year. What we've done this year (3rd and 6th): - A tiny bit of Apologia Chemistry/Physics (not much at all really) - A few weeks of chemistry experiments (with a kit) - Robotics at our co-op (for about 11 weeks each semester - 50 min./once per week) - Some documentaries (they are watching one about dolphins right now as I'm typing this) - Some Bill Nye - An electronics exper. kit - Library books - Some Evan Moor science workbook (not all of it) - Playing outside/nature walks - A chosen topic that they focused on for a couple of weeks - oldest did some microscope study, including the history of the microscope, one younger studied crystals/rocks, the other studied birds - then they each gave a little oral report for the rest of us - my third graders also got a "toy" microscope that they've had fun with from time to time (it actually works pretty well - they were looking at boogers and stuff - ha ha!) Sorry so long!
  18. Can someone please help me understand what doing well vs. poorly on the NACLO (North American Computational Linguistics Olympiad) means? Here's why I'm confused: Two of my kids are very into logic and/or linguistics. They have spent meaningful time on the NACLO practice puzzles and enjoyed them. They wanted to take the NACLO. The other two had minimal interest, did no preparation, and just tagged along and took it "because why not". You know what happens next, right? The highest scoring kids in my family (by a lot!) were the no-interest, no prep kids. The two who practiced and prepared did much worse than the two who did not. Anyone have any idea why? Is this the kind of exam where you can do well by luck? Can you overprepare and do worse? Or do we just have a big mismatch between interest and talent going on here?
  19. We will be finishing Fallacy Detective and Thinking Toolbox this year for 8th grade. When I started looking for 9th grade logic curriculum I learned a few things: 1) what we are studying now is informal logic and now need to do formal logic 2) two types of formal logic are traditional and modern 3) traditional logic sees logic as a language 4) modern logic sees logic as mathematics I like the idea of logic as a language, western thought as it’s origins, and based on Christian thought. I know that Memoria Press fits the bill but, oh my is it hard to follow…and I have a Bachelors Degree! My poor 9th grader! From what I can tell Classical Academic Press' "Discovery of Deduction" and Nance’s "Introduction/Intermediate Logic" both follow the “logic as mathematics†train of thought. Is there any other logic program that is similar to Memoria Press but not so complicated (and dull as I have heard some say)? I saw Logic 101 by Scott Sullivan but I don’t know whether it follows the language or mathematics train, plus it is so new and so I am not able to read reviews so I am hesitant. I would like a DVD option. So I don’t know if I am being too picky and should just pick the curriculum I think will get done and not worry if it is language or mathematics based, or if there are specific reasons to choose one over the other.
  20. So I'm trying to come up with an introductory chemistry and physics program for my 6th grade son. My idea is for it to be a good hands-on year but with enough information to pull him into the topic, with either living books or videos or something. I thought about doing one semester each, but that's not set in stone. I also thought about doing the year in trimesters and doing chemistry for the first one, physics for the second and a unit on using the microscope for the third. I may just be trying to pack too much stuff in, though. For Chemistry, I thought about using The Elements by Ellen McHenry for the beginning. But don't know how I'd schedule it. Would I go slow? would I go ahead and use Carbon Chemistry as well? Or would it be more beneficial to use another text to go with it? What are some awesome books that we shouldn't miss to add to it? I've looked at Guest Hollow's schedule and a few others, but don't have a library around (we live overseas) so it's hard to come up with lots of extra books. For Physics, I like the look of Exploration Education, but that takes a 36 weeks to complete. I wasn't really planning on doing a whole year of one topic. But that's the idea, to do science and not just read about it. But since I'm not sciencey it has to be easy on the teacher. Again, what books would give that to him or do you have any other suggestions? So, any one who has a heart to help a fellow mum, and has been in my shoes or is really good in science, please share with me your wisdom! Thank you!
  21. I'm planning RSO Level 2 Biology for next year ... anyone used this? advice? great resources to add? I'll toss things I plan to supplement with &c onto the thread as I figure it out. TIA!! SUPPLEMENTAL RESOURCES PLAN: Magic of Reality (Dawkins) with app Attenborough's Life DVD series (again! now with N. tagging along) Prehistoric Park DVD (maybe)
  22. I'm looking into Material Logic for my student next year. We've done Fallacy Detective, Thinking Toolbox, Intro to Logic (Nance) and Intermediate Logic (Nance). When we did Intermediate Logic this year, I told my daughter that she will be adequately prepared for Geometry next year! There were a lot of proof like problems to work through, using symbols. In looking at the samples on-line, it seems that Material Logic is equivalent to Intermediate Logic but instead of symbols (if P then Q), there is actual "material" or content to P and Q. For example: If all men are mortal, Socrates is a man, then Socrates is mortal.....this sort of thing. Is my assumption correct? Memoria Press only has a few pages worth of sample to look at so therefore I'm not sure. Also, did you like Material Logic? Was it worth going through?
  23. Can anyone tell me how Art of Argument compares with The Fallacy Detective and The Thinking Toolbox? My 6th grade dd has completed both of the Bluedorn books this year and loved them. I was wondering if we should give Art of Argument a try for next year. What are some other logic options for middle school?
  24. Do you use any critical thinking or logic curriculum with you early elementary children? If so, what do you use and can you give a short review? Thanks in advance. Crystal
  25. I'm trying to round out my resources for history next year, and would really appreciate suggestions, comments, ideas. This will be for a sensitive 10 yo boy who reads well and doesn't particularly like history but does like science. He's more-or-less done a WTMish grammar history cycle, with spottiest coverage for ancients and medieval history, and reads well. My goals are to: * provide rich food for thought and ideas (sort of CM-ish that way), * give a coherent sense of the ancient world and how it followed from prehistory and set the stage for the history that follows * provide a strong grounding in Western Classical civilization, culture, and history * give practice reading I've got a lot of books from History Odyssey Level 2 Ancients and some others, divided into history, literature and other. It may be too much as is! He'll also be reading the books from Beautiful Feet's History of Science. ETA: I'm updating this list as I plan and adding links. Also adding a few China resources; we are settling on Chinese as our modern language choice and that's a great hook for the culture. PRIMARILY HISTORY: K12's Human Odyssey Van Loon's Story of Mankind Augustus Caesar's world (Foster) Story of Science: Aristotle Leads the Way (Hakim) Caesar's Gallic War (Coolidge) Eyewitness Books Ancient Rome Learning Through History booklet, Ancient Rome Macaulay's Pyramid Anubis Speaks! (Shecter) Builders of the Old World (Hartman) Memoria Press' Famous Men of Ancient Greece Fantastic Inventions and Inventors (True Stories from Ancient China series, Zhu) Ancient China (See Through History) PRIMARILY LITERATURE: Tales of Ancient Egypt (Lancelyn Green) Black Ships Before Troy (Sutcliff) The Wanderings of Odysseus (Sutcliff) The Children's HOmer (Colum) -- OR Iliad & Odyssey for Boys and Girls (Church) The Golden Goblet (McGraw) Greek Myths (Coolidge) -- we'll have done D'Aulaire's this year Tales of Theseus Theras and His Town (Shedeker) Aeneid for Boys and Girls (Church) Gilgamesh Trilogy (Zeman) (esp. read-aloud) Why Snails Have Shells: Minority and Han Folktales from China (Han & Han) (esp. read-aloud) The Chi-Lin Purse: A Collection of Ancient Chinese Stories (Fang) (esp. read-aloud) OTHER: Ralph Masiello's Ancient Egypt Drawing book Music of the Ancient Greeks (audio resource) Music of the Ancient Romans (audio resource) Ancient Egypt (audio resource) Classical Chinese Folk Music or Classical Folk Music from China (audio resource) Chinese Lullabies (audio resource) Moonbeams, Dumplings & Dragon Boats: A Treasury of Chinese Holiday Tales, Activities & Recipes (Simonds & Swartz)
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