no that was me, roadrunner. we are taking Stats with Edhesive next year. That's the plan. Esp with the huge price increase for AP courses over at WHA. $740 compared to $150 - it averages all my costs down. :D

no 7 credits total (3 parts to English - Comp + Lit for single Eng credit). PAH - Macro (1) async PAH - Micro (.5) async PAH - Chem (1) async WHA - Math (1) live WTMA - Hist (1) live HSA - Span (1) live TW - AP Gov (.5) async CfL - Brit Lit (Eng 1) live - 1x/mo Roy Speed - (Eng) live (10wks) - added just b/c it sounded cool WAH - Comp (Eng) async p.s sorry for hijacking the thread off-topic!!! but we're still in it with WTMA for next year. just for my rising 9th grader only. :D

ok so i tallied from this past year, with my 10th grader outsourcing all... we used WHA, WTMA, HSA, CfL, Roy Speed, WAH, PAH (x3), Thinkwell...grand total just under $5K. Looking at next year's line up, I'm in the $2700 range. Whew! Much better. And that's including a pricey WHA AP class, plus student services fee - making it a costly single class. ;)

Do any of you remember what the former annual admin fee was? I can't remember and can't find it anywhere on my WHA dashboard.

oh totally understand! esp as we had a meh PAH experience last year (wasted money) but enjoying our 3 PAH classes this year very much. it's just more for those of us who pick and choose curriculum providers - then that $100 or whatever admin fee doesn't spread out amongst many classes, but is tacked onto a single class, making a $650 class $750, or $599 class $699. kwim? fwiw - i am tallying our classes from last year and see that PAH AP Chem has raised prices to $819 for next year. So the price increases are really just across the board. Well worth it, for sure - but still going to price out many homeschoolers soon. ;)

we do writing through writeathome. $159 8-week workshops, of which we do 3 (=~450), paid 3x throughout the year. seems much more do-able. i noticed this past workshop my ds got the same a coach with limited feedback. so fortunately with writeathome, we were able to request a new coach who gives oodles of feedback, so that is good stuff. :thumbup: (but this thread has spurred me to go back through and actually do a real accounting of how much this 10th grade year cost me, as i like to stick my head in the sand and ignore it. if i see a cold, hard number, i'm sure it will spur me to make changes. he's my eldest of many, and there are classes this year that i don't feel are worth it, so it is time to get choosy for next kids in line. it's not the fault of WTMA - as we're in this thread. it's a general overall pushing - WHA raised prices, WTMA has inched up prices since its inception, heck you've got cindy lange who jumped from wha to her own and i see her classes are >$1000 - it's an overall price increase, enough to make even those like me who tried to pay very little attention to it, take a step back and assess. i would never pay for private school, nor would i put my child in private school - that's anathema to all the reasons why i homeschool. i want them home with me. anyway that's my 2c)

i agree, time to get choosy. ;-) that's where the cheap online options like edhesive, thinkwell or free options like big history project, etc really come into play!

yes it's true, they are pricey. it was $599 for us history this year - but that's not including the annual $100 admin fee. so while i like to tell myself the class is only about $600 - it's really $700. times that by 3-5 online classes for 1 child (my ds is taking 5 in that ballpark and some more this year alone), and it becomes cost-prohibitive! it's not like homeschoolers as a rule are rich, plus many tend to have larger families. it is really becoming cost-prohibitive. i think those admin fees (wtma/wha) really do a number on pushing the fees out of the ballpark for many. i do like how PAH is just a set fee, nothing more, nothing less.

my son and at least 1 other i know on the boards took the SAT Bio after WTMA Biology. It prepares them well. They have to go over all the body functions chapters and of course going through a couple prep books is good too.

we paid $150 for the homeschool teacher option last year for AP-CS A and it was well worth it. $150 is a steal when you've got classes for upwards of $700-800 for homeschoolers!

we're waiting too...

but fwiw - i will enroll my rising 11th grader in his math course next year. just a $100 grandfathered-in student services fee. that's quite reasonable. but we will not opt for the extraneous 2nd course, as it's another AP and pricey at that. i also will not start my rising 7th grader in alg I on a whim, as that's too much money for a middle schooler! we'll go that alone. and we may stick with jann in tx indefinitely for dd#2 (we'll see) for dd#3 (the rising 7th grader) when he's in 8th - we may go the math sequence at wha my son has enjoyed (geom-ap calc) which would incur the one-time $250 fee - but even at a place like WTMA, it's $100 each year admin fee so if he were to take math there for 4 years, that would be $400 and technically the $250 student services is a bargain at that point. so i've drunk the wha kool-aid, so to speak, but with a swift dose of reality that will influence my choices going forward. eyes wide open! :-)

yes the refunds policy seems to have changed and seems a bit contradictory yes i do see the above in their terms & conditions. it seems that they are saying if you cancel prior to start of class, you'll get the $250 services fee refunded back - which start date is usually late aug/after labor day. but that does not mesh with the refund policy of the class fee itself - that has a cap date of either July 31 or Aug 15 to cancel without penalty. there seems to be some contradictory info: this seems to indicate you can cancel for 100% refund up until Aug 15 (that is different): Course cancellations within 2 weeks of registration and prior to August 15 of the current year will receive a 100% refund. But then it says thus (what it's always says) essentially after July 31, begins the not-so-amenable refund policy. That seems to contradict the start date above (is it July 31 or Aug 15?) Withdrawal or cancellation requests (with no corresponding enrollment) received after July 31, but before September 30 will be subject to a $100 admin fee with 50% of the balance available as credit against a future enrollment for any member of the family. (can you tell i've been caught on the wrong side of the refunds policy before ^_^ )

Nope, everything is self-paced. Like Derek Owens really. I'd say most kids are more or less on track week to week - which did make it harder for my son who was about 3 months behind as the discussion board Qs were more geared to current work.

Edhesive is self-paced. We started really late in the game, in Nov/Dec when my ds decided he wanted to try AP CS. You work module to module, so they release one week's worth of material at a time - (for us, we were a couple months behind, so could always work ahead as we got caught up). This would include videos by Mrs. Dovi (my ds liked her), and there were activities. You would work with the javascript you learned online in a javascript-simulator type program and create code. You can ask questions on the discussion board and get answers quickly. Exams/quizzes would come up at the end of each unit, and all is graded. You got a final grade with the class based on activities/quizzes/exams. It used to be free, but now it's only the $150 homeschool fee. (We paid $150 anyway for the homeschooler coach's version - which was great as I had access to written exams to use as practice ahead of his online tests/exams, etc)

We took Edhesive last year - I don't know if you were looking into that. Great course, and though not live, the videos/activities were engaging and my son earned a 4 on the AP CS-A exam. We'll be using them for AP Stats this coming year. For $150, you can't beat the price.

unless you stop taking classes for a year, then you start all over.

yes i agree. even for my upcoming students, i am not interested in the perks their 'student service' fee offers. those are some pricey perks, some of which NONE of us ever use. i like how PAH just has a set price, nothing more - no added fees. some of theirs are upwards of high 700's also (ap chem) but then nothing in addition. we'll be taking AP Calc - not AP Stats. I'll do that elsewhere for sure. And I was thinking of my #3 taking Alg I - but we'll do that at home instead. Too much money. #2 already takes math with Jann in TX - we'll stay there for her for the foreseeable future. And now I'm loathe to think of having my #3 take Geom-AP Calc at WHA like his brother as I had planned. *sigh* so that $250 per student or $500 family cap is a one-time fee. BUT from what i'm reading, if you take off from WHA for a single year, you have to start that fee over!

Wow prices have gone up a bunch! Student Services Fee One-Time Per Student New Enrollments in Grade 8 and above $250 Family Cap this Year for New or Returning Families $500 Transition Year Discounted Fees for Returning Students Rising 8th Graders $200 Rising 9th & 10th Graders $15 Rising 11th & 12th Graders $100 Course Offerings Per Course Grammar School $650 Schools of Logic & Rhetoric $690-$720 AP Courses $740 Rhetoric 2/Senior Thesis $800 The Great Conversation Courses Each Great Conversation course provides 2.5 credits. $880 **that finalizes it for me, just one class with WHA next year, and it's a pricey one! that extra service fee is a lot. plus the non-refundable nature of the classes, it's a lot.

Edhesive Computer Science-A was a great first AP - especially for a younger student. My son was 9th grade and he earned a 4 on the exam (he had very minimal previous programming experience, but he's very mathy). Very well-organized materials with video & related activities & tests in modules you work through at own pace. We liked it a lot!

We have been debating which Statistics to take (WHA or Edhesive.com). My ds will be taking AP Calc AB next year with WHA, and we had been/are thinking of taking AP Stats too at WHA (as my son loves the Stats teacher) - but they are back to back (only time slots working for a west coast kid). That and the cost of WHA, I'm debating if that's the best choice. So we're looking more into Edhesive.com, where my son took AP Comp Sci successfully last year. Anyway, just my AP Stats 2 cents.

I've been wondering the same myself.

we prefer early classes too, preferably 8am classtime. it's nice to start the day instead of lolly-gagging until class time. but we're west coast, so that means 11am or at latest, 12:30pm EST start time. it doesn't give us much wiggle room. can't do the 8am EST (5am) or 9:30am EST (6:30am). i think there could be more need, but maybe us west-coasters don't make that known we need more timeslots, as i suppose we're just sticking with what works for us and don't squeak about it.

For us, we don't start school until after Labor Day and are usually out of town until end of August. So for us, we have to deal with the classes that start mid-Aug to have access early or know what minimum books we'll need to bring out of town over the summer. But yes, NONE of the online schools have similar breaks. So all should keep that in mind if mid-year breaks are important to you. For us, it's really a moot point.

Love this! Wish there was such a thing! It would be so wonderful.