lighthouseacademy Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Why is it that when a child is being difficult the answer is always put them in school? How about when you ask a group of mothers of gifted children how to motivate your son the answer is, "he knows how to push your buttons so you should send him to school where they can give him what he needs and give him real discipline. Besides, he needs to interact with children his own age!" GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr No, the answer is NOT public school! They couldn't help him because they couldn't accomodate him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Florida Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 . . . I can tell you that school is probably not the right answer. I cannot imagine what "discipline" those people think your child is going to get in school, where one teacher has to cope with 20 or more kids at a time and where anyone who is not actively acting out is considered a good kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 :glare: His quickness is why I took my son OUT of school. They couldn't keep up with him. :grouphug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighthouseacademy Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 . . . I can tell you that school is probably not the right answer. I cannot imagine what "discipline" those people think your child is going to get in school, where one teacher has to cope with 20 or more kids at a time and where anyone who is not actively acting out is considered a good kid.There would be expectations (as if there aren't any at home!) and there would be trained professionals to implement those rules :lol:.Mine gets bored and tends to act out... so not only would my son get bored and be failed academically but he would be labeled as a problem. BTW I am quite curious, most of their solutions include the public school has a good gifted program. Huh? Last time I checked most public schools either have a pull out where they give extra busy work or they ignore them. Our district has a special test in program where they give you extra busy work a grade above your grade and call it good enough... grrr again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KS_ Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Why is it that when a child is being difficult the answer is always put them in school? How about when you ask a group of mothers of gifted children how to motivate your son the answer is, "he knows how to push your buttons so you should send him to school where they can give him what he needs and give him real discipline. Besides, he needs to interact with children his own age!"GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr No, the answer is NOT public school! They couldn't help him because they couldn't accomodate him! I hear this too - that my ds would probably behave better for someone else and wouldn't be extremely difficult for someone else, as he can be for me. And there was a point when he was younger that I seriously did consider putting him in a preschool, because it didn't seem I was making any progress with him and I wasn't getting any helpful advice from anyone. . . But I am so thankful I didn't, because the character issues that needed working on (and still need work on) would have been more easily glossed over if I didn't have him with me all day. If I only had a few hours with him after him being in school all day, I'd be less likely to want to "ruin" that time together by focusing on those issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMCassandra Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Snarky answer: That will teach you to try to find wisdom apart from the Hive Mind! Kind answer: (((lighthouseacademy))) It's amazing that when we do something outside the cultural norm, people think the answer to just about any problem is to get back in line! Child behind? Put in school! Child ahead? Put in school! New baby wrecking the schedule? Put in school! Toddler wrecking the schedule? Put in school! Marriage issues? Put in school! Health issues? Put in school! Sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMCassandra Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 because the character issues that needed working on (and still need work on) would have been more easily glossed over if I didn't have him with me all day. If I only had a few hours with him after him being in school all day, I'd be less likely to want to "ruin" that time together by focusing on those issues. Amen, sister! This quotation is a keeper. I keep chanting this to myself with my one challenging child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lighthouseacademy Posted January 27, 2009 Author Share Posted January 27, 2009 Thanks for understanding ladies. I generally don't go looking for advice outside the Hive Mind... but I thought that a group of moms of gifted kids might have something to offer me! Oops I was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionfamily1999 Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Thanks for understanding ladies. I generally don't go looking for advice outside the Hive Mind... but I thought that a group of moms of gifted kids might have something to offer me! Oops I was wrong. Next time just them YOU prefer to MOTHER your child, not rely outside persons to do so :glare: Who's snarky now? Huh? Yeah, that's what I thought (then you stomp your feet, stick out your tongue, fart, and run!). Lol, the more I think about this the more it ticks me off! Erg, lemme at em'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy in TN Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Who's snarky now? Huh? Yeah, that's what I thought (then you stomp your feet, stick out your tongue, fart, and run!). I wasn't going to reply, but :rofl: Mandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristenS Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 You mean you actually consulted with a group of moms of GIFTED kids and they gave you that advice? Wow. Usually parents of kids of any kind of special need are less quick to advocate PS as the catch-all solution, because they've run up against the rougher side of getting accomodations. Unless your area really does having a rockin' gifted program. Ours doesn't. It was okay when I was in elementary, but has had serious funding cutbacks in the interval. Unless it's changed yet again, it totally wouldn't be worth the bother (except as a boredom reliever from the regular classroom). Let's not even talk about my high school, which at the time only had 2 AP classes. I'll give them credit, they've worked hard to fix that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BryRon Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 This is exactly why I pulled dd out - they wanted to give her extra work on top of the regular curriculum, and I wasn't having that. I think I've mentioned in other posts that the teacher was having her help the other kids learn how to read, which in and of itself is great; however, she wasn't moving forward. HS is the best place for our gifted kids, as well as the "not-so-gifted" kiddos! There would be expectations (as if there aren't any at home!) and there would be trained professionals to implement those rules :lol:.Mine gets bored and tends to act out... so not only would my son get bored and be failed academically but he would be labeled as a problem. BTW I am quite curious, most of their solutions include the public school has a good gifted program. Huh? Last time I checked most public schools either have a pull out where they give extra busy work or they ignore them. Our district has a special test in program where they give you extra busy work a grade above your grade and call it good enough... grrr again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_l_e_0..Q_c Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I hear this too - that my ds would probably behave better for someone else and wouldn't be extremely difficult for someone else, as he can be for me. Well, I do believe there's some truth to this. Now don't get me wrong, my kiddos are home, and we're all happy about it, and we're not seriously thinking of sending them to school. Ever. And I do believe that gifted kids are better at home than in school. But that said, I have noticed my kids obey other adults much more easily than they would obey me. It's not true for everything though, but once in a while, another homeschool mom can get them to do something that I can't. Just yesterday, my mom - the kids' grandmother - got my DD to eat pasta stuffed with cheese and basil. At home, DD picks at the basil and leaves it on her plate. Grandma said 'no, no way, not in my house'. My DD was able to eat it without gagging. Sometimes, it does take another voice to push kids to try new things. So now, I'm not afraid to pass on some responsibilities onto others. Not the whole thing, mind you! But yes, DS takes some online class, and some long distance classes. He goes to catechism, he takes theatre lessons, and I do not get involved. Works like a charm! Just something to keep in mind, when a child acts up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kissy Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Public school is not the answer. My son went until grade 3 and the good teachers were great he really only had one that really challenged him and loved that he was gifted. The bad teachers were awful. He was starting to fail some of his subjects and acting out and they wanted me to medicate him. The "gifted classes" are just extra work to hold them at the level of all the other kids. No child left behind means they will hold the gifted back to bring the other kids to level. That way the tests even out. In the elementary school my son was in the teacher said they couldn't give a zero when a student didn't turn in work the lowest grade they could give was a 60 because of no child left behind. I think it is great in theory to have no child left behind but it does not work for the gifted or the delayed. Unless you have really researched and find a school with a great program and know it would work for your child I don't think you should put them in public school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KS_ Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Well, I do believe there's some truth to this.Now don't get me wrong, my kiddos are home, and we're all happy about it, and we're not seriously thinking of sending them to school. Ever. And I do believe that gifted kids are better at home than in school. But that said, I have noticed my kids obey other adults much more easily than they would obey me. It's not true for everything though, but once in a while, another homeschool mom can get them to do something that I can't. Just yesterday, my mom - the kids' grandmother - got my DD to eat pasta stuffed with cheese and basil. At home, DD picks at the basil and leaves it on her plate. Grandma said 'no, no way, not in my house'. My DD was able to eat it without gagging. Sometimes, it does take another voice to push kids to try new things. So now, I'm not afraid to pass on some responsibilities onto others. Not the whole thing, mind you! But yes, DS takes some online class, and some long distance classes. He goes to catechism, he takes theatre lessons, and I do not get involved. Works like a charm! Just something to keep in mind, when a child acts up. Oh, I agree - I guess I was thinking and typing too fast to put in all my thoughts! :) My ds doesn't give other authority figures the same trouble he can give me, but I know that we just wouldn't have put the same amount of effort into working on those character issues if I had sent him off to preschool when I was thinking about it. They would have been pushed under the rug and glossed over. So although he does give me more trouble than he'd probably give another teacher (besides his dad - lol), I'd rather deal with that now, than not deal with those issues and him move into adulthood like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Hen Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 It's amazing that when we do something outside the cultural norm, people think the answer to just about any problem is to get back in line! Child behind? Put in school! Child ahead? Put in school! New baby wrecking the schedule? Put in school! Toddler wrecking the schedule? Put in school! Marriage issues? Put in school! Health issues? Put in school! Sigh. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessedfamily Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 ....Huh? Last time I checked most public schools either have a pull out where they give extra busy work or they ignore them. Our district has a special test in program where they give you extra busy work a grade above your grade and call it good enough... grrr again! I was so excited that our disctrict has a pull-out gifted program. Then my sister, a teacher who is skeptical of homeschooling, described the program to me. BUSY WORK. One day a week. No thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenkenn Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Why is it that when a child is being difficult the answer is always put them in school? How about when you ask a group of mothers of gifted children how to motivate your son the answer is, "he knows how to push your buttons so you should send him to school where they can give him what he needs and give him real discipline. Besides, he needs to interact with children his own age!"GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr No, the answer is NOT public school! They couldn't help him because they couldn't accomodate him! Oh my I could have written that!! I see that my son and yours are about the same age. Honestly, I think that age has something to do with what your experiencing right now. We have our good days, bad days and going half mad days (thanks Jimmy B.) all the time. One day he's hot to do school work and other days he just wants to sit and read or play games. It's so frustrating. I'm learning, albeit slowly, to deal with all of his attitudes. Some days I don't have the patience for it and I threaten to send him to PS or to Military school, we both know full well that neither are options but sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Where I live we have NO special programs for smart kids, none! The local PS cater's more to the developmentally disabled than those who are reasonably bright. They'd have no clue where to put my son who is really a second grader but is doing work from 3rd to 8th grade depending on the subject. He'd be bored to death. Okay, yes I am RANTING because you gave me the opportunity, thanks. I don't know about your boy but I've noticed that with mine he'll get interested in a topic and he'll run with it for weeks at a time,right now it's the sun. So we do things around that topic, math facts, writing, reading, science etc... Sometimes they are bored and they are having a hard time finding something to motivate them because they are in between interests. Just remember this too shall pass, it will I promise. It sucks to deal with. Warmly, Jen (who has been there done that and is often still there.):chillpill: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 My response would be this: If putting my child in public school would be the answer to all these challenges, why is it that I hear the same complaints from parents with children in public school? Just a thought.... See my signature quote!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lulubelle Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I totally can relate to some of this. The only difference is it comes from my mother. If I say the slightest thing about my 6 year olds behavior changing she is quick to say that he 'needs more' and that means he would be happier and better off in public school! It drives me crazy! The fact that he is taking karate, swimming, art class, piano and sunday school is irrelevant to her and not enough for him to be a 'normal kid'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplecow7 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 My son is in a gifted center in PS and it is a great experience. I am blessed that my ps has this. He is in 4th grade, but his work is all 5th grade and he goes faster and deeper in most subjects. If we did not have this option, we would have had to do private school or homeschool. My point, my child misbehaves not because of were he goes to school, but in my humble opinion because of video games and tv shows. Or just because he is a kids. Or maybe the parents are just jealous because they would love to do homeschooling, but don't feel like they are able. Part of me would love to homeschool, but I can't for various reasons - so I afterschool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlockOfSillies Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 the lowest grade they could give was a 60 because of no child left behind. This wouldn't be said by the same people who say that the solution to every homeschooler's problem is to put the child in school, would it? :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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