Josh Duggar Appeal Denied

[Katy]

Yay!

[Faith-manor]

This was as the chef's kiss on my day when it was announced yesterday.

The appeals routes that are left open to him are extremely dicey and rarely successful. This was his best chance. So the odds are super high that he is now going to serve his sentence. He also served six months of solitary confinement for the smuggled phone incident, and had some of his good behavior days stripped. The feds assume good behavior so when they list the initial release date it includes 15% off the sentence for being a decent prisoner. He didn't last a year at Seagoville before he got in trouble. His original release dates was mid August of 2032. Now that has rolled back to October 2032. It wad also reported by a prisoner who was released last fall that he had been assigned a job and was fired from it within 30 days because he was insufferablly smug to the other prisoners and caused issues. Now, I don't know that there is any way to confirm that since it was a prisoner who was interviewed, not a guard, the warden, or multiple sources giving the same info. I do not have a hard time believing that this could have happened because SMUG is exactly who he and JB are. It is a defining trait of those two! But again, who knows if it is true or not.

I think there are excellent odds that he is in there for the long haul, and I doubt he will stay out of trouble completely so it would not be shocking if he ended up serving the full 12.5 years. It should be noted that his probation period will be 20 years, meaning he doesn't come off restrictions until he is in his sixties, and his restrictions are huge. Very very hard for someone like him to manage and not screw up and end up punished. Four of his six kids will be adults when he gets out, he cannot have unsupervised visitation of the two remaining minors, cannot be in the presence of any other minors except for in the course of working a job, such as retail, where children might be present, and has all of the restrictions of sex offenders, plus no devices without the federal tracking software (spyware) on it, and he has to pay monthly fees for every device to be monitored, can have his domicile and person searched randomly and often, and no adult porn,not a magazine, no strip clubs, you name it. A lot of Seagoville prisoners go to strict halfway houses when they are first released and can remain there up to two years. So I would not be shocked if he doesn't mess up and end up back in prison. It is going to be harsh, and I am 100% here for that given what that scum bag downloaded and watched, repeatedly.

Go feds!!!!! Rah rah rah!

[Ottakee]

Appeals rarely work.  My x has several in process and all keep being rejected.

[DawnM]

4 hours ago, Ottakee said:

Appeals rarely work.  My x has several in process and all keep being rejected.

I have a 2nd cousin (I think that is the term.   His mom and my mom were first cousins.).  Anyway, he is serving a life sentence and has tried many appeals and they get him nowhere.   He went in almost 20 years ago for statutory r*p*.   I have heard his side (he was 23 and she was 17, blah, blah, blah) but there is another side I haven't heard.

[DawnM]

So great about Josh.  I wish JB were in jail too.   He is disgusting. 

[Heartstrings]

45 minutes ago, DawnM said:

I have a 2nd cousin (I think that is the term.   His mom and my mom were first cousins.).  Anyway, he is serving a life sentence and has tried many appeals and they get him nowhere.   He went in almost 20 years ago for statutory r*p*.   I have heard his side (he was 23 and she was 17, blah, blah, blah) but there is another side I haven't heard.

20 years to life for statuary is a LOT, especially if she was 17.   I definitely think there’s more to that. I’m close to a case where the girls, plural, were 13 and the guy 22, and the sentence was only 3 years with only 18 months served.  

Edited August 8, 2023 by Heartstrings

[Katy]

1 minute ago, Heartstrings said:

20 years to life for statuary is a LOT, especially if she was 17.   I definitely think there’s more to that. I’m close to a case where the girls, plural, were 13 and the guy 22, and the sentence was only 3 years with only 18 months served.  

Yeah, it’s generally 6 months to 5 years max. Something else happened. 

[Faith-manor]

1 hour ago, DawnM said:

I have a 2nd cousin (I think that is the term.   His mom and my mom were first cousins.).  Anyway, he is serving a life sentence and has tried many appeals and they get him nowhere.   He went in almost 20 years ago for statutory r*p*.   I have heard his side (he was 23 and she was 17, blah, blah, blah) but there is another side I haven't heard.

I wonder if he was in a state with three strikes, and already had other run ins with the law. Even if the other convictions were minor felonies, that third would be an automatic life sentence.

Edited August 8, 2023 by Faith-manor
Typo

[DawnM]

53 minutes ago, Faith-manor said:

I wonder if he was in a state with three strikes, and already had other run ins with the law. Even if the other convictions were minor felonies, that third would be an automatic life sentence.

maybe, he is in Virginia.

[DawnM]

56 minutes ago, Heartstrings said:

20 years to life for statuary is a LOT, especially if she was 17.   I definitely think there’s more to that. I’m close to a case where the girls, plural, were 13 and the guy 22, and the sentence was only 3 years with only 18 months served.  

So the story goes (again, I haven't heard her side, so I am NOT saying this is actually the case) that it was the very first female judge in the area and she wanted to make herself "known" for being firm.    He says they were on a date and it was consensual and then the parents got involved and filed charges.   She was 17, but barely.   I think the "relationship" started at 16.

But yes, there must be more to the story.   I don't know what it is, I have even looked it up online but I can't see a whole lot about it so I am not 100% sure.   

 

[Katy]

4 minutes ago, DawnM said:

So the story goes (again, I haven't heard her side, so I am NOT saying this is actually the case) that it was the very first female judge in the area and she wanted to make herself "known" for being firm.    He says they were on a date and it was consensual and then the parents got involved and filed charges.   She was 17, but barely.   I think the "relationship" started at 16.

But yes, there must be more to the story.   I don't know what it is, I have even looked it up online but I can't see a whole lot about it so I am not 100% sure.   

 

Search the sex offender registry in Virginia. You’ll be able to see what he was convicted of. And if that’s not enough search the criminal court database too. 

[DawnM]

5 minutes ago, Katy said:

Search the sex offender registry in Virginia. You’ll be able to see what he was convicted of. And if that’s not enough search the criminal court database too. 

Would he be registered if he hasn't left prison since the conviction?

I can only see the appeal he made in 2004, I can't see anything else anywhere.

Edited August 8, 2023 by DawnM

[Katy]

5 minutes ago, DawnM said:

Would he be registered if he hasn't left prison since the conviction?

I can only see the appeal he made in 2004, I can't see anything else anywhere.

Maybe Virginia does things differently, but the other states I’ve lived in list them from the first conviction. Try the courts website. 
 

ETA: actually IDK if Colorado or Florida do that bc I’ve only searched since I had kids. 

Edited August 8, 2023 by Katy

[DawnM]

3 minutes ago, Katy said:

Maybe Virginia does things differently, but the other states I’ve lived in list them from the first conviction. Try the courts website. 
 

ETA: actually IDK if Colorado or Florida do that bc I’ve only searched since I had kids. 

I did look at the court's website, I can't find anything.   

[Katy]

2 minutes ago, DawnM said:

I did look at the court's website, I can't find anything.   

What I’m seeing on google is it’s 25 years to life if the child is 13 or under. Maybe he was claiming she said she was 17, which would be a lesser crime but still illegal unless he was only 18. 

[Heartstrings]

4 minutes ago, Katy said:

What I’m seeing on google is it’s 25 years to life if the child is 13 or under. Maybe he was claiming she said she was 17, which would be a lesser crime but still illegal unless he was only 18. 

That would make sense, under 13 is very different from 17.   

[Annie G]

2 hours ago, DawnM said:

Would he be registered if he hasn't left prison since the conviction?

I can only see the appeal he made in 2004, I can't see anything else anywhere.

You can try an inmate search through the DOC. A friend’s dh did some awful stuff and I can see his charges and such by doing an inmate search. But that is IL, so Virginia might be different. 

[Katy]

https://www.vadoc.virginia.gov/general-public/inmate-locator/

[katilac]

10 hours ago, Faith-manor said:

 SMUG is exactly who he and JB are. It is a defining trait of those two!  

Smuggar has been Josh's internet nickname for many, many years, lol.

[Faith-manor]

You can also look up that Seagoville wiki page. They have prominent inmates listed on it.