Melissa in FL Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 We saw this on the news last night, and it totally cracked us up. Lady Rothschild thinks Obama is an elitist.:lol: How did she even say that with a straight face?:001_huh: I heard her being interviewed this morning. She grew up very middle class and watched her parents struggle as all middle class does. She really didn't grow up privileged with any special advantages. She married a baron. I believe she said she was married after she had become successful on her own first. She has always supported the Democrats, but feels that Barack Obama is to far left for the good of our country. When she spoke she really said she believed in the "American Dream" and felt McCain was the best to help others achieve it. I found her to be very down to earth in the interview! Melissa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in FL Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 To me, it makes NO sense to say that you support Hillary but would vote for McCain. Fundamentally, Hillary and Obama have more in common than Hillary and McCain. Likewise, there are higher up Republicans who do not like Sarah Palin but I don't think they would be foolhardy and vote for Obama because of it. Link I'm sorry, but I disagree with this. In my opinion, I would have considered voting for Hillary. I haven't really liked John McCain that much, but I won't vote for Obama. Even if their proposed plans are/were similar, what I see lacking in Obama is his ability to work with those with opposite ideas. I really have always seen Hillary as someone who can unite people together. Most of my family lives in NY and are Republicans. They've watched her closely since she became their Representative. They like her! I feel the country needs a leader that will move above party politics and join the two sides. I see Hillary and John (and Sarah) with this ability. But, never once has Barack crossed the aisle to join in anything. He is the MOST Liberal Democrat in the Senate, and Biden is number 3. I don't see the two of them helping to join our country together. On the other hand, I could have seen Hillary doing this. I heard a report the other day saying most Americans consider themselves conservative in financial matters. I view Obama as far left and I view Hillary and John McCain as in the middle. It's not hard at all for me to see Hillary voters move to the McCain camp. Melissa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev in B'ville Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 It was reported on the news this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herding Cats in NC Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 My point is that Rothschild is an elitist herself, as is McCain, and the Palins are not poor simple folks. It's all a sham. And for the record, the Obamas made $4.2 million last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Atl Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 And for the record, the Obamas made $4.2 million last year. Exactly... none of them are the common folk. Both the Obamas came from nothing. So in that respect all four of the candidates are self made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam "SFSOM" in TN Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 But, never once has Barack crossed the aisle to join in anything. He is the MOST Liberal Democrat in the Senate, and Biden is number 3. I don't see the two of them helping to join our country together. On the other hand, I could have seen Hillary doing this. Well, he did it at least twice that I can find in a one minute google. (Karl Rove agrees with you that he did not. The Wall Street Journal also reports that, but it's not exactly true.) Here and here. Here are two for Biden, here and here. I've got to study, so I'll stop doing google searches. But anyhow, just wanted to throw out another POV. I don't know how much more is out there, but that's from the just one page of the google search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demal Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Well, in my terms, I define elitist as those who consider their philosophy and outlook to be superior to others, his revelation that when people are facing struggles in their jobs/life they cling to religion and their guns...(completely paraphrasing here)... Here's the full quote: You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. From where I sit as a gun-owner in a small town which has experienced economic deterioration despite the promises of the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, yup, we're bitter 'round these parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Atl Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Here's the full quote: You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. From where I sit as a gun-owner in a small town which has experienced economic deterioration despite the promises of the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, yup, we're bitter 'round these parts. Doesn't say much for free market or trickle down theory for the small towns of the mid-west. No easy answers and lots of false promises from both parties. Then why do we keep voting them back in? Why has there not been an outcry? Why are so many Americans afraid to really make a change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma23peas Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Doesn't say much for free market or trickle down theory for the small towns of the mid-west. No easy answers and lots of false promises from both parties. Then why do we keep voting them back in? Why has there not been an outcry? Why are so many Americans afraid to really make a change? There will always be towns suffering, we live in a dynamic society...those counting on horse and buggy being the only form of transportation were left behind with the advent of the automobile...those that adapted to the change and moved on...profited. For every poor town out there, there are new towns popping up that have thrived...and boomed...we have to by dynamic... What I fear the most is the democratic leaning towards more taxation...why can't the take a lesson from Ireland who has gone from one of the bottom 1/3 of the European countries to the top 10% in growth and profitability..what did they do? They CUT taxes, they CUT spending..those two words are completely at opposite poles of where the democrats stand...I don't want MORE government control, I want more RESPONSIBLE government... "Ireland embarked on a series of tax cuts once the size of government shrank and the debt problem was resolved. Income taxes were cut multiple times. The top personal income tax rate fell from 65 percent in 1985 to 44 percent by 2001. The standard income tax rate went from more than 35 percent to 22 percent. Corporate income taxes were slashed from 40 percent in 1996 to 20 percent by 2000. A special 10 percent tax rate was offered in some locations and to particular industries but this has since been phased out and now the standard corporate tax has been lowered to 12.5 percent." That right there is Reagonomics at its best and that's the reform McCain and Palin are pushing...it's been proven...a total socialist state run by government has been proven as well...you have Russia and China...I wouldn't want to aim towards their approach anytime soon. Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny in Atl Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 There will always be towns suffering, we live in a dynamic society...those counting on horse and buggy being the only form of transportation were left behind with the advent of the automobile...those that adapted to the change and moved on...profited. For every poor town out there, there are new towns popping up that have thrived...and boomed...we have to by dynamic... What I fear the most is the democratic leaning towards more taxation...why can't the take a lesson from Ireland who has gone from one of the bottom 1/3 of the European countries to the top 10% in growth and profitability..what did they do? They CUT taxes, they CUT spending..those two words are completely at opposite poles of where the democrats stand...I don't want MORE government control, I want more RESPONSIBLE government... "Ireland embarked on a series of tax cuts once the size of government shrank and the debt problem was resolved. Income taxes were cut multiple times. The top personal income tax rate fell from 65 percent in 1985 to 44 percent by 2001. The standard income tax rate went from more than 35 percent to 22 percent. Corporate income taxes were slashed from 40 percent in 1996 to 20 percent by 2000. A special 10 percent tax rate was offered in some locations and to particular industries but this has since been phased out and now the standard corporate tax has been lowered to 12.5 percent." That right there is Reagonomics at its best and that's the reform McCain and Palin are pushing...it's been proven...a total socialist state run by government has been proven as well...you have Russia and China...I wouldn't want to aim towards their approach anytime soon. Tara But Reagan left us horribly in debt. I know about Ireland and agree. Not a tax and spend fan. But, I also don't buy for a moment that McCain and Palin are "mavericks". She left Wassilla deep in debt as well. I'm not offering any answers, just more questions. Russia is a mess and China is some odd mix of free market with a totalitarian oversite. No "isms" work 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumping In Puddles Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 What I fear the most is the democratic leaning towards more taxation... Tara Then you will be thrilled to see that Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama’s proposals. Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut. (From Fox News Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom to Aly Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Yes, I wonder if she knows how many homes she owns? :001_huh: :lol::lol::lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom to Aly Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 I guess this is big news if you know of her and really respect her opinion. If she were, say, Al Gore or someone like that, someone really big in the Democratic party who garnered a lot of attention and respect, and criticized Obama and went over to McCain with legitimate complaints about Obama and accolades for McCain. But, as it is, I guess it really doesn't mean anything much to the dems, just something for the republicans to try to hoot about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma23peas Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 Those paying over 250k would get taxed more, the corporations would get taxed more, sure, he 'promises' that the 'average' American will pay less, but under his plan the average corporation which I garner more than 50% of the families making under 250k work for will have to cut back more than 25% of their jobs or factories....therefore, how in the world can a tax break help you if you have no job? Tara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretchen in NJ Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 We saw this on the news last night, and it totally cracked us up. Lady Rothschild thinks Obama is an elitist.:lol: How did she even say that with a straight face?:001_huh: Well, you know that old expression, "It takes one to know one" :D :smilielol5: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threetreasurs Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 We saw this on the news last night, and it totally cracked us up. Lady Rothschild thinks Obama is an elitist.:lol: How did she even say that with a straight face?:001_huh: Too funny, I had not clued in to the irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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