butterfly113 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Can someone tell me the difference between these texts? We are planning on Conceptual Physics for 9th grade science. Obviously the high school one is a HS program, but is the regular text college level? Which one is mostly used? Conceptual Physics - The High School Program http://www.amazon.com/Conceptual-Physics-High-School-program/dp/0133647498/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1403996278&sr=8-2&keywords=conceptual+physics Conceptual Physics 11th Edition http://www.amazon.com/Conceptual-Physics-11th-Edition-Hewitt/dp/0321568095/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0J6H0QSBZFY08B7B0TAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavandula Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I'd look at the reviews. Any one that mentions the level for the 2nd says they use it in college. I don't know about how often it's used though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Generally the high school versions of texts have a more detailed version of the TM, if that is a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G5052 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 The second is the college-level book. If you read the section called "Brief Description," it talks about "empowering professors." I'm using the college book (actually an earlier edition though) for my senior next year. He's good at math and science, but doesn't love those subjects. We're trying to finish trig and pre-calc by graduation (got a little behind this year), so I wanted a solid but relatively straightforward physics class to close things out. I've seen some geometry and algebra required, but I don't know where the college text fits on the spectrum compared to the high school text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g1234 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I actually have both texts sitting on my shelf. I don't have any TMs. Is there any specific info you'd like about the texts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I have the high school text 3rd edition and the college text 5th edition which is rather old. I'm sure it has been updated quite a bit. But when comparing those two editions, the high school text is definitely more colorful and more student-friendly. It has a more pleasing layout with a slightly larger font and better use of white space. The presentation of material also is different. For example, the hs text covers each of Newton's laws in separate chapters while the college text covers all 3 laws in one chapter. The college text also has full chapters on some extra material...musical sounds, light quanta, general theory of relativity, and astrophysics....that the high school text just touches on within other chapters. Again...I am comparing an old edition of the college text. It has probably changed quite a bit...I would definitely expect it to be more colorful than the one I have! I am using the high school text (3rd edition) with my local physics class next year. I think it is just about perfect. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin in DFW Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 MorningGlory~~~ I am possibly going to use the high school CP text with my son starting in the fall...that, or a Holt text...I'm not sure which one HE will be attracted to most. Anyway, do you have any suggestions for using the text successfully? Which labs are "home friendly", scheduling, etc. I also have the teacher's lab workbook (same as the student workbook, just has answers) and a problem-solving workbook. Not sure either are necessary since the text seems to have more than enough to keep us busy. You seem so pleased with CP. I want some of your enthusiasm! Thanks, Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCB Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I have the high school text 3rd edition and the college text 5th edition which is rather old. I'm sure it has been updated quite a bit. But when comparing those two editions, the high school text is definitely more colorful and more student-friendly. It has a more pleasing layout with a slightly larger font and better use of white space. The presentation of material also is different. For example, the hs text covers each of Newton's laws in separate chapters while the college text covers all 3 laws in one chapter. The college text also has full chapters on some extra material...musical sounds, light quanta, general theory of relativity, and astrophysics....that the high school text just touches on within other chapters. Again...I am comparing an old edition of the college text. It has probably changed quite a bit...I would definitely expect it to be more colorful than the one I have! I am using the high school text (3rd edition) with my local physics class next year. I think it is just about perfect. :-) Would you be able to list an ISBN number for the volume you have? Also do you have the teacher's edition, and which other components are necessary? Sorry about all the questions, but there seem to be so many different options of workbooks etc. I, too, am trying to decide whether to use the high school edition or not. We will be doing Physics in 9th after Alg 1 and while taking geometry. I would like a good course that covers the necessary material, but that is within her math ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterfly113 Posted June 30, 2014 Author Share Posted June 30, 2014 Thanks everyone for the great info. We will be using CP for 9th grade. It sounds like from comments as well as reading more reviews that the high school version will be the way for us to go. Thus, my question now is: What else is needed besides the Student Text? Is the TM required? Are the workbooks required? Where is the best place to purchase, Amazon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Tick Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Which organized, friendly, sharing boardie put together this blog post with all the Hewitt CP resources listed? Sorry I can't give her credit, maybe she'll chime in, but here is the web address: http://eclectic-homeschool.com/conceptual-physics-9th-edition-by-paul-hewitt-course-outline/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 MorningGlory~~~ I am possibly going to use the high school CP text with my son starting in the fall...that, or a Holt text...I'm not sure which one HE will be attracted to most. Anyway, do you have any suggestions for using the text successfully? Which labs are "home friendly", scheduling, etc. I also have the teacher's lab workbook (same as the student workbook, just has answers) and a problem-solving workbook. Not sure either are necessary since the text seems to have more than enough to keep us busy. You seem so pleased with CP. I want some of your enthusiasm! Thanks, Robin One bit of advice that I have for using Hewitt's CP is to not try to cover the entire book equally. With my students I am concentrating on the mechanics unit (chs. 1-14), the waves/light unit (chs. 25-31), and the electricity/magnetism unit (chs. 32-37). At the very end of the year, we will also explore a bit of "modern physics" by spending some time on relativity (chs. 15-16) and atomic theory (chs. 17, 38-40)....very interesting stuff that the kids love. Notice that I am totally omitting chs. 18-24 that cover phases of matter and thermodynamics. We covered *most* of this information in chemistry. There are quite a few labs in the CP lab manual that are doable at home. If you want to use that resource, I would look through it and find 2 to 3 labs in each unit that have inexpensive, easy-to-obtain equipment and concentrate on those. I would strongly recommend against purchasing any expensive physics equipment or kits. It just isn't necessary. I shared this site recently on another thread: http://jabryan.iweb.bsu.edu/lowcostphysics/ Take a look at it. My students will complete around 8-10 labs for the year plus some fun projects (egg-drop, bridge, circuit board). I am adding in some extra problem-solving practice with my students. There is *some* problem solving in the text, but I am supplementing. All of the problems can be solved with just basic algebra. If you feel the need to do this, you could have your son work through some of the problem solving workbook since you already have it. Yes, I do love CP. I taught physics and AP Physics for 9 years in a b&m school before I "retired" to teach my own kiddos. I have been looking so forward to the day when I could FINALLY teach my own son physics. And now I will be teaching not only him but also 16 friends with him! Funny how things work out. Let me know if you have any other questions. Not sure I answered the ones you had here! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Would you be able to list an ISBN number for the volume you have? Also do you have the teacher's edition, and which other components are necessary? Sorry about all the questions, but there seem to be so many different options of workbooks etc. I, too, am trying to decide whether to use the high school edition or not. We will be doing Physics in 9th after Alg 1 and while taking geometry. I would like a good course that covers the necessary material, but that is within her math ability Yes, I am using the 3rd edition High School Program. ISBN-13: 978-0201466973 for the student text. I have purchased 19 copies of this text used from Amazon for my class (I only needed 17, but 2 of the copies were unusable). The most I paid was $8 for a "like new" copy...most of the ones I ordered were under $2 plus shipping. Very affordable! I do have the TE, and yes, I think it is useful and maybe even necessary. It has the answers to all the review questions and problem solving at the end of each chapter. Unless you are a physicist or physics teacher by trade, you will probably find it helpful. It also has margin notes that are sometimes interesting. I have not checked the going price of the TE since I already owned it. I really do not think any of the other components are necessary unless you want to supplement the problem solving. Honestly, I think the text with TE is plenty; I wouldn't purchase anything else. Algebra 1 is all your daughter needs for CP. I am thrilled to see so many homeschool families using CP in 9th grade! I wish I had done the same with my son, but he had the opportunity to take biology in a fabulous group setting....I just couldn't let it pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 nm :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin in DFW Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Morning Glory---we might just be interested in this online thing of yours. I'll run it by my son and let you know. Thanks for your responses above. You've been most helpful and encouraging! Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemMommy Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I just found this link. I can't believe that this is the whole book, but at least it is a great example of Conceptual Physics http://www.dsusd.k12.ca.us/users/phealy/physics/Ebook/htm/_cp9e.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemMommy Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Is CPO Physics: A First Course considered middle school level or the equivalent to an early high school course (like physical science)? http://www.cposcience.com/home/ForEducators/PhysicsAFirstCourse/tabid/269/Default.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavandula Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Is CPO Physics: A First Course considered middle school level or the equivalent to an early high school course (like physical science)? http://www.cposcience.com/home/ForEducators/PhysicsAFirstCourse/tabid/269/Default.aspx If you look here it says: Physics A First Course: Grades 8-10 Sorry if you wanted an answer from personal experience or something! Also I can't take italics off. Cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChemMommy Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 duh....the FAQ page. Should have thought of that myself, but THANK YOU for directing me to it. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 2, 2014 Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks WTMers! I now have several guinea pigs to try out my online Conceptual Physics course. I am so excited!! Hopefully, it will be successful so that I can offer it as a viable option for homeschoolers in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterfly113 Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks for the clarity of my original question about the different texts, as well as the suggestions regarding using CP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendafromtenn Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 And we are SOOOO excited about Jetta's class. My son is one of the kids who gets to glean from Jetta's wonderful knowledge in her CP Physics class. We are so blessed! :hurray: Love ya, girl! Brenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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