Janie Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 (edited) I know of Classical Writing Logos Classical Composition (Jim Selby) Writing Tales IEW: Classical Rhetoric through Structure & Style Circe: The Lost Tools of Writing Composition in the Classical Tradition (D'Angelo) Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student (Corbett) Please add to the list, if you know of other material. Links would be helpful. Thanks! Edited March 22, 2011 by Janie Added to the list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyR Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Writing Tales follows progymnastmata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristenR Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Woah. I need to read up on classical education more. I had no idea what that word meant and had to look it up. :tongue_smilie: Guess I still have a bit time before my kiddos hit that stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnMomof7 Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 :bigear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siloam Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 IEW has a course as well. Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janie Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Added. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janie Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Heather, I assume you are referring to IEW's Fables, Myths, and Fairy Tales? Because I really don't see that IEW has taken much of a purist approach to progym, I'm going to opt not to include it in the big list. If I'm mistaken or have overlooked the rest of the progym exercises, please correct me. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladydusk Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I think Lost Tools of Writing is a progym program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloggermom Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Isn't WWE the beginning stages of progym? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Heather, I assume you are referring to IEW's Fables, Myths, and Fairy Tales? Because I really don't see that IEW has taken much of a purist approach to progym, I'm going to opt not to include it in the big list. If I'm mistaken or have overlooked the rest of the progym exercises, please correct me. Thanks! It's really not much different than the Logos books you included. I wouldn't include either of them personally, as "imitation" does not necessarily equal progym. But IEW has a specific progym program: Classical Rhetoric through Structure and Style Some more: Omnibus includes progymnasmata exercises in its writing. Some of us have been using college textbooks for progymnasmata instruction since before homeschool curriculum was available for it. For example, Classical Rhetoric for the Modern Student or Composition in the Classical Tradition. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poke Salad Annie Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Isn't WWE the beginning stages of progym? I have been thinking this, especially after reading more about the progym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janie Posted March 21, 2011 Author Share Posted March 21, 2011 Thanks, Angela. I completely forgot about Composition in the Classical Tradition and even used it with my own kids! Half-a-brain, here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 :lurk5: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poke Salad Annie Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I don't think they are described as progym materials, but Wm. Henry Maxwell's School Composition and Ida Brautigam's Composition Books One, Two, and Three seem to build on the progym. I think they are very similar to the programs which have been listed in this thread. They are free and accessible online at google books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Jo Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Someone recommended Rhetoric in the Classical Tradition by Winifred Bryan Horner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMCassandra Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I don't think they are described as progym materials, but Wm. Henry Maxwell's School Composition and Ida Brautigam's Composition Books One, Two, and Three seem to build on the progym. I think they are very similar to the programs which have been listed in this thread. They are free and accessible online at google books. Thanks for these tips. I'm printing the Maxwell book now. But I'm having trouble finding the right Brautigam files. Is this part of her Progressive Composition series? Could you send links to the correct rhetoric-stage files? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Heather, I assume you are referring to IEW's Fables, Myths, and Fairy Tales? Because I really don't see that IEW has taken much of a purist approach to progym, I'm going to opt not to include it in the big list. If I'm mistaken or have overlooked the rest of the progym exercises, please correct me. Thanks! :iagree: Yes, I believe some programs don't actually follow the whole progym sequence but only include parts of it. It's like baking a cake and leaving out some of the ingredients. :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siloam Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I But IEW has a specific progym program: Classical Rhetoric through Structure and Style That was the one I was thinking of, but I haven't seen it or used it. Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Someone recommended Rhetoric in the Classical Tradition by Winifred Bryan Horner That's a great book for rhetoric (and there is some overlap,) but it doesn't really cover the progymnasmata. In fact, it doesn't mention it at all, as far as I can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 :iagree: Yes, I believe some programs don't actually follow the whole progym sequence but only include parts of it. It's like baking a cake and leaving out some of the ingredients. :tongue_smilie: I have never heard anything that indicates that IEW is trying to use any of the progym in the TWSS, SWI, etc. (I also don't think that WWE is intended to utilize the progym, btw.) Some of the skills taught and methods used overlap, of course, but I think that will happen in any writing instruction. Much like the Socratic method here lately, the name progymnasmata seems to get thrown around as a generic term. :D I could be way off base, of course. :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I have never heard anything that indicates that IEW is trying to use any of the progym in the TWSS, SWI, etc. (I also don't think that WWE is intended to utilize the progym, btw.) Some of the skills taught and methods used overlap, of course, but I think that will happen in any writing instruction. Much like the Socratic method here lately, the name progymnasmata seems to get thrown around as a generic term. :D I could be way off base, of course. :001_smile: Ah, I think you're usually quite "on-base"! :001_smile: I think the confusion lies with the terms "classical" and "progymnasmata". I thought the progymnasmata was quite specific and fell under the classical umbrella; they used to go hand-in-hand. Lately "classical" is the catch-word and everyone seems to use it to boost the selling features of their product. I was surprised to hear that some of the writing programs with "classical" in their title, actually don't follow the progymnasmata. :001_huh: Now am I completely off-base? ;) In any case, here is a link to the explanation of the progymnasmata from the CW website, for those of you who are curious: http://www.classicalwriting.com/Progym.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angela in ohio Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Ah, I think you're usually quite "on-base"! :001_smile: I think the confusion lies with the terms "classical" and "progymnasmata". I thought the progymnasmata was quite specific and fell under the classical umbrella; they used to go hand-in-hand. Lately "classical" is the catch-word and everyone seems to use it to boost the selling features of their product. I was surprised to hear that some of the writing programs with "classical" in their title, actually don't follow the progymnasmata. :001_huh: Now am I completely off-base? ;) In any case, here is a link to the explanation of the progymnasmata from the CW website, for those of you who are curious: http://www.classicalwriting.com/Progym.htm I've never really seen classical and progymnasmata used synonymously before (or rhetoric and progym.) I think the progym is classical, but classical isn't necessarily progym. The progym isn't the only way to go, imho. Useful as I think they are, they aren't the only way to solid (even classical) writing instruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poke Salad Annie Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Thanks for these tips. I'm printing the Maxwell book now. But I'm having trouble finding the right Brautigam files. Is this part of her Progressive Composition series? Could you send links to the correct rhetoric-stage files? Thanks! The Brautigam books are here. The Third Book should be the one you're looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMCassandra Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Thank you!!! Downloading now . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poke Salad Annie Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Here is one more which looks nice for an overview (Illustrated Lessons in Composition and Rhetoric by Erle E. Clippinger). The topics covered in the table of contents are: *Descriptive *Narrative *Expository *Argumentative *Letter Writing *Oral Composition *Fable *Essay *Public Address *Debate *Poetry *Review of grammar and diction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerriMI Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Just linking to the similar thread on the High School board: http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273511 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.