Aubrey Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Everything I'm finding is either Christian, Jewish, or Wiki. Anybody know of a scientific journal or something w/ an article on Noah's ark? Preferably about the dimensions. TIA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie in Austin Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 You may be looking for something that doesn't exist . . . why would a secular journal have anything about Noah's ark, which most non-religious types would assume is mythic in some sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 The National Geographic channel had a program called The Ark http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/the-ark-4548/Overview Don't know the content though. You might be able to find this at the library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 . . . why would a secular journal have anything about Noah's ark, which most non-religious types would assume is mythic in some sense? For the same reason Mallory climbed Everest (or said he did). Also, for the fun of it. Imagine all those thousands of beetles! <cut and paste> The biologist J. S. B. Haldane liked to say that if biology had taught him anything about the nature of the Creator, it was that he had “an inordinate fondness for beetles.†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 You may be looking for something that doesn't exist . . . why would a secular journal have anything about Noah's ark, which most non-religious types would assume is mythic in some sense? Well...I've read opinions here from people who *do* think that Noah's ark is mythic, but they substantiate those positions w/ claims about size vs. number of animals that seem to have come from somewhere. I'm trying to find information from both perspectives, but while there are abundant Creationism sites, it's been harder to find a secular one. Yeah, maybe it's obvious *why* that's the case, lol, but I figured there were plenty of people here who could help reduce my search time. ;) :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgiana Daniels Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Well...I've read opinions here from people who *do* think that Noah's ark is mythic, but they substantiate those positions w/ claims about size vs. number of animals that seem to have come from somewhere. I'm trying to find information from both perspectives, but while there are abundant Creationism sites, it's been harder to find a secular one. Yeah, maybe it's obvious *why* that's the case, lol, but I figured there were plenty of people here who could help reduce my search time. ;) :001_smile: I always tell my kids it was the baby animals that were likely brought on board, not the giraffes you see with their heads poking out the top of the ark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 The National Geographic channel had a program called The Ark http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/the-ark-4548/Overview Don't know the content though. You might be able to find this at the library. Well, the link looks interesting, but I can't find anything by that title at my library or on Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skadi Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) http://www.skepdic.com/noahsark.html Basically, no boat could be built big enough to fit a pair of every kind of animal (and in many cases, seven pair). Genesis 6:14 indicates that the ark was around 450 feet long by 75 feet wide. We're talking at LEAST 16,000 species if you take a very general interpreation of "animal of every kind" (and how exactly did the animals all survive on the boat for 190 days without eating each other? wouldn't they need even more room to provide food for them?) -- this would necessitate that a) evolution is true (which most biblical literalists reject) and b) that animals would have to evolve extremely rapidly (this was estimated to be happen at 2000 BC, after all) from that base 16,000 after the flood to give us the 1.5 millions separate species we know today. Since we have the fossil record, we know that this did not happen, even if such a boat could have been built in the first place. EDIT: I also forgot to mention, if the world was entirely flooded due to rain, then there would virtually be no salt water seas left. Noah would need to build tanks in his boat for whales, dolphins, and all the salt water creatures that would have otherwise died. Unless God sent Captain Kirk back in time ala Star Trek 4... Edited February 19, 2011 by Skadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I read a very interesting book a while back about all the archaeological evidence in support of a catastrophic regional flood in Europe about 7,000 years ago. I believe it was this one. We are Christians but not Biblical literalists so I have no problem with the possibility of Noah's flood being a regional one rather than totally global. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onceuponatime Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Will this do? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html This is supposed to be an article from a mainstream science point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 http://www.skepdic.com/noahsark.html Basically, no boat could be built big enough to fit a pair of every kind of animal (and in many cases, seven pair). Genesis 6:14 indicates that the ark was around 450 feet long by 75 feet wide. We're talking at LEAST 16,000 species if you take a very general interpreation of "animal of every kind" (and how exactly did the animals all survive on the boat for 190 days without eating each other? wouldn't they need even more room to provide food for them?) -- this would necessitate that a) evolution is true (which most biblical literalists reject) and b) that animals would have to evolve extremely rapidly (this was estimated to be happen at 2000 BC, after all) from that base 16,000 after the flood to give us the 1.5 millions separate species we know today. Since we have the fossil record, we know that this did not happen, even if such a boat could have been built in the first place. EDIT: I also forgot to mention, if the world was entirely flooded due to rain, then there would virtually be no salt water seas left. Noah would need to build tanks in his boat for whales, dolphins, and all the salt water creatures that would have otherwise died. Unless God sent Captain Kirk back in time ala Star Trek 4... VERY interesting--thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 Will this do? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html This is supposed to be an article from a mainstream science point of view. Thank you--this is exactly what I was looking for! :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritaserum Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 Will this do? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html This is supposed to be an article from a mainstream science point of view. That was a good read and it makes a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris in VA Posted February 20, 2011 Share Posted February 20, 2011 I know that Robert Ballard has done some underwater archeology in the Black Sea, and found very interesting things. He has evidence suggesting a localized flood-- He's the one who found the Titanic, in case you didn't know. I think you could find articles about that, if it helps any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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