I was right there with ya. We backed off audio for awhile and read more read aloud, not long, just enough to get the drill down of stopping and talking g about it after shorter periods. For us those shorter periods were several sentences . Then, we took it back to the audiobooks . we started and stopped after several sentences and talked about it. Often, h was lost...so ID replay then tell him the meaning. Start the recording again , several more sentences, stop it and talk. At first it was mainly me telling him, showing him how to pick out what was being said by basically , just telling him what it meant lol. After only maybe a week and a half o this , he could tell me those few sentences ( of a different story) on his own, most of the time.then we graduated to a paragraph, stop the recording, talk about it, rinse repeat lol. Now he can do several paragraphs. It's coming out choppy, but that's a huge improvement. Maybe we'll be up to a chapter soon ! Ha-ha :) Our APD the NP said was *very* severe though. It might not take you guys as long to get to paragraphs ir chapters as us. But, it has been well worth it. It's worked really well for us. We just had to start very small. And he is THRILLED with the improvementsbhes made. Eta: I basically had to show him what he was looking for and what it meant to grasp auditory learning and how (slowly).

So, am I reading the webpage right? The cm type of stuff is in the readers themselves ? We don't have to purchase a separate manual for the cm portion? Was that your takeaway of it vaquitita? I noticed it said they were paperbacks, so ...probably the cm part is in the books themselves already? Yes? I am going to buy book 1 and see how I like it. I'm sure I will. Thanks for posting :)

I had to look too. Mine are the Mott media, I also have the Kimball's elementary English books vol 1 and 2. I used them with my big kids. I should use them with my little ones too. I just looked them over again and oh the richness in them. My editions are copywrite 1911. They are very delicate and when my big kids used them, I had them do it orally with me or rewrite the sentences. I'd use them for dictation and analys sentences when they were ready for dictation. I'm going to look for a set on eBay. They are very fragile and slightly worn . Still great condition but books thst old, ID never let my little ones touch lol. Glad even more you made this post. I'm going to order more Kimball's English to use with them. I wonder Hunter, what's the difference in the McGuffey's? Do you know?

We tried drama through a friend at church that is state certified to do...they used to call it the discovery program, I think the name changed tho, anyway. My boys know her, like her, there were only a few kids and they knew them all, knew the helpers...and..ugh. Would not/could not participate . I don't know if it was anxiety or what. The teacher told me well just keep working on it until he's comfortable. He still isn't and it got too far down the road to the end of the school year. It was over and he never did participate . I KNOW it was partly, a huge part in fact, his speech, he's getting better since we started lips at home , but at the time most of the gen pop couldn't understand him. The thing was tho, the few kids that were there, all had a SN of some sort, and knew the instructor , they could pretty much make out what he would say BC we go to church there. So, I dont really get why he didn't want to participate or even go for that matter. I'm sure his anxiety played a big part, but,...just confused. When Sunday school is over ( same room) he goes on stage with his brother and tries to act out the Bible lesson they learned. Really makes me shake my head lol :/ I wish we could get over that hump. I think it would be good for him.

Yes, someone mentioned intiv . we use that for nighttime for my 12 yo. He has it for a number if reasons, so it helps. I'm not sure for him we see an improvement in the ADHD part, it elliviated other things tho. His ADHD is pretty...*powerful* lol. So maybe that's why we don't see it help the ADHD.

The NP we went to perscribed med for my guy with very low processing speed. I haven't gotten them filled. She sweared by it. I've been having trouble making that leap yet tho. OTOH, I feel like I'm doing him an injustice if it did work. My DS 12 is on them. I guess, I probably should try it. Sigh. Hard to know what to do in these cases. I know I need to try. ...jus..hard. I'm going to follow this post to see what experience others have with it. Hard. :/

I was able to pull it up... I want that. A blend of cm and the McGuffey's *in that way*? Oh yea. Me thinks...yes :) lol I want it. I want another set of McGuffey s anyway for my daughter to teach her daughter. I'm so glad you posted this, and glad you mentioned McGuffey. What a dunce * ive been. I*knew those books helped them. I guess I was so wanting to move them along. Sigh . The free Treadwell primer even is hard. Thanks for posting :)

I love the McGuffey readers and your right, the free Treadwell's start our harder. That's what's in the rtlt book. Ah man. How did I forget that. I'm gonna go back to the McGuffey readers for my one guy. I adore them anyway. I out them up on a shelf to look at after I used thembwith my boys fir awhile. I should have kept them out and used them Good point, glad you said that, it helped me alot. On spelling. I teach spellig along with reading . the goal then is to move more into vocab like Latin roots. That teaches to the child , they can figure out just about any word in English language . Once they get the basic spelling diwn...if ya think about it...those basic blends , phonograms, all make uo the words. Adding prefixes, suffixes and Latin roots....that should take care of spelling. Just. Longer words derived from the phonograms, blends, and Latin roots. I can't pull up the above link..but I was looking at the newer cm stuff over the weekend ( newer to me lol. I used English cir the thoughtful child with all 5 of my kids) I'm going to go back to the McGuffey readers. As I read what you write I was like...duh! Why did I out those uo ??? Ha-ha. I know why. I didn't want them messed up :) Im going to get them back down. The free Treadwell s that are in rtlt are harder and boys having more trouble with. I'm gonna pull up that link when I get home.

Oh, another one they love and helps us with memory. They make the trouble words on index cards. We go outside and have them bury them in the dirt, then I call out the word, the one who digs uo the most words...wins. They have to remember what word is where. With our memory trouble , I started out with just a few words and built as they improved. :) ETA: I don't know about a book or specific website but have you thought about looking at Pinterest for them? I don't know if they'd have any and I'm brand new to Pinterest, just might work tho and , not cost of a book lol :)

These are my boys 2 favess . I forget what else we've used in the past. I'll have to look in my lesson plans :) Word games are fun! :)

The most fun my boys have, and you could play it with her if she's the only one at home. I make index cards and have them write phonics words were working on and use fly swatters lol. I call out the word...they find it ( several words are in the floor at once) they have to find the correct word...first one to SWAT it with a fly swatters gets a point. At the end o the game whoever has the most points wins a treasure from the treasure box. My boys LOVE fly swatters. Why? I cannot tell you lol. But it's alot of fun and has helped esp my 12 yo. I use the words were working on in AAR and in the free Treadwell readers ( they are straight up phonics). I also, put words on the fence, they staple them w a big stapeler and attach water balloons on the part you tie the ballons off, i have them staple the cards jus below the balloons ( they make the cards and fill the balloons and LOVE stapeling them to the fence lol. ) them writing the words helps with more exposure to the words and writing them. Then I let them use an arrow( they're boys) you could also use rocks, anything that would break the ballons. For us, it's ot too. Using the forearm to finger, hand eye coordination . the one who gets more words right wins a treasure .

Awesome. A co-op will help. I need to sign up for our too. You mentioned the legos...funny thing. Last year when I was talking to the coop leader on the phone about the boys, their needs etc ( the one we did had challenged learners too) But I was deciding what classes to put him in ( that ones once a week) I said, ...Lego...whats a Lego class.she goes....aww. You must have girls! Baha! Oh if she only knew. And I had no clue they had Lego 'classes' but it's brilliant and my boys love it. They learn to build, what and how. My boys have always loved legos. This class is Sooo good for them. Micah took calligraphy, it has been a good experience for us. The kids are sweet to them. No mention of anything LC. He's gonna love that Lego robotics ! :) Coops are good, and fun and gives we moms interaction with other homeschool moms. We have park day at least once a month. We all take a sack lunch and the kids play and moms talk. It's awesome. :) Glad you found a co-op :) Big hugs

I agree too. WWE is no something I'd want to skip. It's an important step to learning to write and write well. As for the redundancy , you could skip, as others have said, any portions in fll that feels like more if the same bc wwe specifically targets the writer in them, Nd yes, builds. You could do the narrations in SOTW only on say, the American history part? I don't know what level you are on, but if ancient maybe the part that pertains to Bible, or w/e you want to make sure she's 'got'. I would be very hesitant to skip wwe. It gradually and gently takes them into being good writers. I would just skip some of the other things in fll and SOTW narrations.

I know onestep, it's pretty wild there's 2 posts, titled almost the same, same grade, and both if those sweet women are helping a friend child. I had to go back to make sure whose what I was on lol. Pretty wild. Both 7th, both dyslexic, both helping a friend. Always point out if you think I'm mixed up, one of my biggest fears is ever giving wrong info :)

I just read your comment about making lists. Your right. Make some lists, make some goals for him AND you. We mamas forget about us and get bogged down. Go to a place you love, by yourself, with a friend, with hubby, whatever, but take a day and nite to yourself. You deserve a break today mama! ;) No way he'd be where he is under the schools. And remember , you spoke of acedemics, ABA, therapy, that IS his acedemics right now. You'll add I in when you can and feel like hea ready and able. My ds12 did *seemingly* well at school, came home? And that's where the fun started . oh my major meltdown.. Major. It was the release of the stress of being at school all day. Now? Your can control and mediate during the day. School makes this worse. I've always said it's much harder having them in school than home. Find a group. Either SN or reg homeschool group. You just might be surprised how well he'd do in a reg homeschool group even. Make a list of realistic goals. You've have done amazing things with him. No school could ever do that. We moms just have to remember , take Tim for us too and pass the buck to dad ir another family member or whoever. With your daughter duall enrolling this year, that will take some internal pressure off you. Shell be taken care of at college . You'll have more time and 'mindspace' freed up from her being under the guidance of her professors. That's going to help a ton :) I know deep down your thinking. Omg...I'm not doing what I need to with her. Professors gotthat now :)

OhE, it's the romantisizing of the good experience you've had this summer. I've been there. I get it. HOWEVER, that is not the norm I promise. The fun summer programs thy provide is polar opposite what the regular school year looks lie. You answered your own question in that, you provide him with tailireded custom learning. THATS....why you homeschool. Ti nurture him. Meet him where he is. I know it's hard. Believe you me, I've been there Nd dine both. He WOULD NOT have that cime regular school year. Your his mama, you love him. Thst gies 200% in makin him more confident, feeling loved and encouraged in a way they cannot. This summer program is wonderful. It it by no means, what goes on in the school year. He is at the age that he will become lost in the school, socially and academically . There will be critics if this part BUT, I was there. In the school with boys like yours, Common core does not allow for mny of the things our kids would have gotten before. Even ASD kids , they are trying to entegrrate into reg. Classrooms as much as possible. That environment IS NOT condusive to learning. Try to find a group to get him a part of. An autism group, any sort of spec needs group, hey....even a regualr homeschool group. When my big kids were young in our homeschool group, there was an autistic bout here. He loved being with the kids. He made friends too :) I tried that with my boys ( reg homeschool group) and it was good for us. There were surprisingly other kids with needs in there. They made friends. How many friends do you want him to have? More importantly ...WHAT KIND...of friends do you want him to have. He's not gonna come home all lovely and cheerful. He will meltdown once home, have trouble dealing with the stress of an entire day in school. Iys hard work for our guys and kids can be mean. Even other kids with needs. We experienced that too. Your his mom, you love him and do great things with him. You know yourself , he would not get the degree of depth of services he's getting from you. You my sweets, answered your own question. :) I know it's hard. I didn't want to get goin for school year either. It's hard for moms. But I promise you, this romantic summer program is in no way what he will experience during the school year. :) Take a little time off mama. Maybe go on a date with hubby or better yet...away overnite and maybe by yourself. You got this! :) and his life will be forever different BC of what your doing for him :)

If she's done Barton and still having trouble. ....which is my understanding of this...I do t see why Susan Barton wouldn't know how to direct her. She did me on both my boys and we hadn't even done Barton yet. We wanted to tho! Lol ETA: I went back and reread again, I think I have the 2 straight. My guy lacking comprehension, she helped me with too. Not just the one who couldn't read at all . If the DC is having trouble comprehending, Barton could be good for her to finish, Susan Barton I'm sure would have advice on what to do to get her comprehending and she could finish Barton. She's awesome and hads loads of knowledge in this area, weather the DC had done Barton or not. I like her lol :)

Onestep, I went back and read this original post to double check. This is the student that did Barton right? I think I was said maybe further down thread. If shea done Barton and having trouble reading fluently,or comprehending what is read, I don't see why Susan Barton wouldn't be able to help. It's her program and child needs help reading and comprehending...am I understanding that right? Sudan Barton helped me with my younger guy who wasn't comprehending what he read. I have one who can fly his eyeballs across page but had no idea what he was reading. Then I have one who couldn't read at all. That falls into her area of expertise. This child did some Barton...am I correct ?

Yes. It is OK to focus on the 3 r's. Sometimes you have to take several steps back...to soar many steps forward . :) They have to have the basics...then with maturity and eqquipped with the 3 r's foundation, the can make strides you never thought possible :)

Ya know what would be a good idea? Have mom email Susan Barton. I say mom BC I'm sure fir legalities it would have to be mom plus mom will have more background info. I was super surprised, Susan Barton herlsef emailed me back and took the time to talk with me and tell me what I needed to do next. Which was focus heavy language and do lips. It helped...we only failed C after that! Ha-ha :) It has worked even more since I got back to lips and kept on with the letter tiles. Have mom email her. She'll know what to do :)

Yea. Mine too. Making sense of what's read. NP told us that was the ADP. Smaller chunks. Lots of talking. Do it for her ( the narrative) show her , let her hear what ita supposed to sound like. You'll get there :) The dysgraphia ( we have that too) we traced the draw write now books. The letters first and I would at first put my hand over theirs and show them how it's supposed to feel...then gradually they did it on their own, sloppy, just not as sloppy. One day they were doing it on their own and made great progress that way. They traced and colored the picture too :) they were so pleased at a finished product :) They tracedthe letters for a year and now my 12 yo has beautiful handwriting ..the 10 has made great strides. Hea almost there ;) I scribed for them when I could. Like on the narrations from wwe. When I'd read it back sometimes they noticed it did t sound right. From there we worked more on it. Now my 12 yo is really good at narration. Almost ready for wwe2 :) yay! Lol Those draw write now books are like magic I swear. Tracing and having a picture too? Ha-ha. I would display them and make a big deal. Made them want to get better about staying in lines, making a straight line for writing etc

Audio books didn't help mine either...REALLY sounding more like an added mix of adp. The ADP is what kept my sons from getting the audio books. We did more read aloud ( that's where pics come into play) then after made progress there....went back to audiobooks but stopped after several sentences and talk about it..then had them talk to me...gradually we build whole chapter stamina on the audiobooks.

No no, what i was saying was, fir a dyslexic...it can be too much. It was fir my boys, my older kids would have eaten it uo as I said before...they would have been into it. But a dyslexic throws another thing into the mix eso if ADP is suspected. Too much for their brains to absorb *while* they are trying to receive the other aspects of learning. Primarily, reading fluently. Also on the writing strands. I used that with my big kids. Daughters hated it. I do WWE 1 with my boys. Maybe go back a level in wwe? It's smaller chunks . and easier to help them get it formulated in their heads and out of their mouths. Again, esp of adp is suspected. That's all. I love SOTW and can't wait til I can use it with my boys. If it were my oldest...she coulda handled that at 8. But for the dyslexic, they are trying to make sense of all that's going on in their brains. It's pressure for them. That's all. I'm a huge wtm and SOTW fan. Jus, dysleics can surely have trouble with it and diminish confidence. That's what I would do. It's what u did actually lol. The question was asked. I answered . never said SOTW is not for a 12 yo. It CAN...be way to overwhelming to a dyslexic :)

Awwww...I forgot about slow and steady get me ready. A veteran homeschooling mom if 6 gave that to me way back when my 20 yo was 5. I used that with him at 5. That is such a sweet sweet program. :) I still have the entire notebook of what he did under my TV lol. I forgot that's what it was til I went and got it out. Very sweet and gentle. Yea, that's a good one, and bonding with your little one. :)

Yea. Part C Susan Barton told me, work on language heavily. We did immersion into it. It helped a ton. I haven't gotten the seeing stars, I want it, but I needed lips first . I would get AAR and do heavy use of the letter tiles and start with baby steps on the white board starting with the consonant blends first. Baby steps on getting anything on paper or, whiteboard lol. The tiles are perfect for dyslexics. They need to touch, feel them. Before I have them write what they've just touched and felt of the tiles. I have them close their eyes and picture it in their mind , the open their eyes and have them write it. I learned that from visualizing Nd verbalizing from LBM. That'd a really good one too. I have to help my boys read it, but it's more about what's in the manual. The visualizing it. Movies and picture s in your minds they call it. That...has helped a TON with my boys. AAR with heavy tile use, whiteboard work, if she can get a used V/V that would be good. Start small getting it out of her head to paper. The visualizing helps. The BF literature , questions and activities will help alot with helping her vocab, and understanding the purpose and love of books. That's another reason the pics are important . and, it's gentle. And fun, and sweet :) On the SOTW you know I'm sure, going to level 1 is simply moving forward time periods. The writing and voab and prose is the same. ...HARD! lol. :) Dump it. Go to BF that I've done with all 5 of my kids and has nurtured a love for books, good books, and you incorporate art with it through fun activities that are easy to do. It gives the dyslexic time to regroup, not be so overwhelmed, ...takes the pressure off then they can let the other helps ( AAR, letter tiles, whiteboard practice, reading good history and science books) ...it all starts to come together. I highly recommend lips. Has worked wonders here. Got my 12 old son picki g up a book and reading for first time ever! :) It was the primer of the free Treadwell s, but hey...that's so big for him. :) And did I mention ? That's so awesome of you to do this for your friend :)