When I worked for a company that sent me traveling rarely, expenses were checked line by line. When I worked for a company who sent me traveling every week, they didn't - up to a certain amount was assumed and anything beyond that needed receipts.

Well, there are several threads on this same topic so I don't know where all my posts are going. But I've shared that this did happen to me on several occasions - I don't have specifics because I've been a sahm for over a decade now. Nobody has responded to my examples except to say they have a job that doesn't require men & women alone together so mine must not have either. This is about much more than Pence at this point and that's been said repeatedly.

It doesn't matter what the motivation is, in PRACTICE it's discriminatory. I don't care how non-politically conservative anyone is. But when someone won't work - late hours, over dinner, 1on1 meeting - with me because I'm a woman, that is discrimination even if in his mind he's being a dedicated family man. He should get an different job.

Maybe John tries to be home for dinner at 6 because if he doesn't, he won't have time to play hours of video games & still get a decent night's sleep. Maybe John tries to be home for dinner at 6 so that he can eat & then have time to hit the gym for a few hours. Maybe John tries to be home for dinner at 6 because that's when he told his wife to have dinner on the table and if it doesn't happen he won't be in the mood for her to give him his after-dinner foot massage. How the hell should I know if John is dedicated to his family? There is a reason that the assumption is that John is dedicated to his family based on being home at 6 & it isn't because it equates to family dedication.

You aren't getting the point. So basically, people who have boundaries that result in discrimination of a certain sex on the job have figured out how to have a certain standard & still have a fulfilling career and be a good boss or employee. People who complain about this discrimination just haven't figured out that balance. Nice.

Not on this thread, but it's the majority view on this board when the topic comes up.

I'm equally flummoxed by the number of people that can't imagine why a man & woman would be alone together at work. Are these people equally unable to imagine that 2 men would be alone together at work?

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I didn't ignore her first post. Is there a rule that in order to respond to a post I have to also respond to all prior posts by that user in the same thread? That's a new one. By that measure then both you & Arctic Mama ignored MY first post. How mature we all are now. In contrast, Arctic Mama ignored all the attention paid to Mrs. Jones's behavior in all the posts prior to hers which I had disagreement with. I didn't edit out anything that actually pertained to my point nor have I DELIBERATELY misrepresented anyone's posts. You are making a wild accusation about my intentions in posting that you truly have no clue about.

Well, that is pretty rude & personal & doesn't even relate to anything I've said. I hope it at least made you feel better.

I understand your point. I believe it is part of the problem.

And this illustrates perfectly why this kind of behavior persists. "Only being called dumb blondes" = "a win for civility".

I think this is a lovely thing when it exists. I just don't think it's so simple for many people/families. (Not saying you're saying it's simple, just jumping off from here.) I grew up seeing my relatives regularly and pretty often - not in the same town but get-togethers several times a year, family vacations at each other's homes & family reunions, road trips together, etc. We just aren't bonded together. In my personal experience, blood isn't enough for a bond - along with blood is are additional expectations of fitting into their group-think. You can only be different up to a point. This works great if you happen to be similar to your blood family - not so much if you aren't.

Holy cow. OK. I'd definitely talk to the director, explain the situation, & ask to meet with the her, requesting that Mrs. Jones also be present. I'd expect there to be 1) acknowledgement of the situation from Mrs Jones & Jack 2) an apology from Mrs. Jones & Jack to you & your daughter 3) an apology to the entire class from Mrs Jones & Jack 4) a plan to make sure this is not a problem going forward. If ALL of those things were not done, I'd leave the co-op immediately, resigning from teaching the class. I'd also send an email to all the participants in both your class & your daughter's, explaining the reason for your leaving. The parents of the other kids in Mrs. Jones's class need to know that this is ongoing.

I think that it's different for everyone. I don't feel that blood makes bond for me. I grew up knowing my cousins and extended family. I have no bond with them today.

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Disrespectful to whom?

I admit I haven't read all the posts because some of them are quite lengthy & I just don't have time ATM. But I think I understand the gist of the points people are making. I have to out myself as someone who *has* complained, as a newbie, about my needs not being met in homeschooling groups. When we started homeschooling, I didn't know anyone else with kids similar in age who were close enough to me. So when I joined a homeschooling group, it was for community - not for any other particular reason. I didn't expect anyone to "give" me anything. I still don't expect anyone to "give" me anything. I wanted to have people I could chat with - about school - what were some of the opportunities out there, what curricula people seemed to like, just stuff we chat about on here - but anything, really. I didn't expect to have the group full of both parents and kids whose friend quota was already met and gave me the cold shoulder. What do I give to the homeschool community? Same thing I give to the wider community. I am kind and generous. I try to make newbies feel welcome and am happy to share my knowledge about opportunities and resources available. I don't teach because I'm not good at it for many reasons. I do invite people over. I am happy to pay for co-ops and other parent-led classes as well as lend a hand doing grunt work, driving, cleanup, supervising, etc. I also give away all curricula & supplies that we no longer need or that didn't work for us.

This doesn't sound like normal camp shennanigans to me. I worked at a church summer camp when I was younger so I'm familiar with the environment. A bare-minimum acceptable solution, to me, would be an apology by all the boys, including the chaperone (high-school boy), a phone call to the parents/the church, and all involved parties sent home. Whether or not they'd be welcome back again would depend on the response of the sponsoring church & the parents. I don't think anything would come of it, but a police report would not be inappropriate. I have 4 boys. This is unacceptable.

No, that's why we can't copy any other country - because people are unwilling to let go of their "personal responsibility", defined as every man for himself. The ACA as passed was far from ideal and everybody knew it & everybody knows it.

Yup - I'm one of those who was against it before. We haven't even had any drastically bad health issues, but I'm now realizing how much I didn't know before.

"Because *I* want to be in charge. *I* can even choose which abx I need because I'm not stupid. I don't care if it means other people won't get healthcare - they should have made healthier choices. Personal responsibility means I have to choose everything and find the best price all.by.my.self." Pretty much.

Quoting myself to add. What about all that stuff in Matthew, including "I was sick. Did you care for me?". Are we to respond: "Sure, I'll care for you. But first, go negotiate what you're able to pay for it. Everyone needs to pay something, otherwise you'll ask for too much." How can Xians justify this?

And in a nation where a huge portion of the populace claims "Xian country!", this idea of every man for himself to negotiate the price of their healthcare - it just doesn't compute. Xians are called to live in community, taking care of each other - and not just people in your own healthshare who can all sign the same statement of faith.