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Jacobs, AoPS, Foerster, oh my?


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So, IRL, I'm the person everyone asks about English and History. Math.... not so much. I'm floundering on picking high school level math for this kiddo. My olders did Saxon through their school.

 

We started Jacobs Algebra last year. Dc did fine, but I was providing a little scaffolding, and didn't want to do that anymore.

 

I decided to have her work through Derek Owens PreAlgebra to get used to working independently. She'll finish it up in a few weeks, having done it since the beginning of October completely on her own, scoring very well on the tests. So, we are ready for Algebra.

 

She studies two instruments and two languages. She's in sports. She's very artistic and doesn't want to devote hours a day to math, although she really likes math.

 

We could go back and finish Jacobs, but I also have Foerster on the shelf. I've considered AoPS at a moderate pace. I'm willing to consider something else entirely.

 

We'll still have the better part of a semester this year to maybe do something before next year, officially beginning Algebra then?  Any suggestions for going deeper before an official Algebra year? Although looking at Jacobs, she would not need a year to finish it.

 

 How much time does AoPS take a day if we chose to go that route?

 

I'd like something efficient, deep and challenging without difficulty for the sake of difficulty. Is there a math that fits that description? Is that Foerster? or something else?

 

What is the the youngest you would use Foerster?

 

ETA- Would Derek Owens be appropriate for an accelerated kiddo? Are there enough challenge problems? PreA hasn't been challenging, but filled all the necessary gaps.

 

Thanks!

 

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I have to disagree about AoPS necessarily being hands-on; it depends upon the student.

 

That said, however, I suspect it would not be a good fit for your DC (requirement for scaffolding in Jacobs and time concerns.)  Although we went with AoPS here, I also own Foerster.  I suspect that it might be a good fit.  (FWIW, I love it.  It's the perfect fit for me, just not for my particular child.)

 

I do not have any experience with Derek Owens math, but DD is taking Physical Science with him and we are extremely impressed with his responsiveness.

 

HTH.

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Your post reminds me of what 8Filltheheart used to say about her dd, she was good at math, but her passion lay with languages, so she did not do AOPS and instead did ... I don't remember. (Pouty face here) You could pm her or try your luck at a Google search on this site with her tag and algebra.

 

Good luck!

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I like consistency. You started and have experience with Jacobs, its a solid choice, you can easily customize the difficulty level and its often recommended for accelerated, younger students. After PreAlgebra, I would take another stab at Jacobs and see how it fits as an independent curriculum.

 

If Jacobs doesn't fulfill your needs, then look elsewhere. Not before.

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My son did Algebra 1 with Derek Owens.  It is a very solid class and he likes the format.  The only reason I signed him up for Algebra II with another provider is because the combination of low processing speed and ADD Inattentive with self-paced classes does not work well (he is still working on geometry with Derek).  He is now in Algebra II and so far it has been all review even though this is a good class and I am very happy with it.

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I like consistency. You started and have experience with Jacobs, its a solid choice, you can easily customize the difficulty level and its often recommended for accelerated, younger students. After PreAlgebra, I would take another stab at Jacobs and see how it fits as an independent curriculum.

 

If Jacobs doesn't fulfill your needs, then look elsewhere. Not before.

 

Well, yes and no. We did the first few chapters of Jacobs as a follow up to Singapore 5 with what was left of last year. As a student, this is barely the same kid.

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Have you considered emailing Mr. Owens?  We have found him to be very responsive to questions.  (And DD, having fits with a lab, vented her frustration by turning it into an imaginary world with a battle between two imaginary countries and writing an 8 page story about it.   And then emailed it with her lab sheet.  Not only did Mr. Owens read the extra material, he emailed her back to compliment her on the story. :001_wub: )

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Your post reminds me of what 8Filltheheart used to say about her dd, she was good at math, but her passion lay with languages, so she did not do AOPS and instead did ... I don't remember. (Pouty face here) You could pm her or try your luck at a Google search on this site with her tag and algebra.

 

Good luck!

 

I've read through a number of Foerster threads with 8Fill on them lately, so I think it is a book she likes, although I can't guarantee that it is the book for her language loving daughter. (I don't think I'll PM her- I googled her board name and "math" and got  hits of threads with titles along the lines of "8filltheheart what's your math sequence". I think she gets asked often.)

 

Dc already has a love/ hate with Jacobs. I could have her just do a chapter in Foerster, then we can decide between it, Jacobs and Derek Owens. She will still have lots of time this year.

 

We had a few of the Beast Academy books, and she claimed she didn't love them, but was just looking for them the other day. She reads math puzzle books for fun, but that's different than having it scheduled.

 

Once we decide, I just want to go forward with a sequence.

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Have you considered emailing Mr. Owens?  We have found him to be very responsive to questions.  (And DD, having fits with a lab, vented her frustration by turning it into an imaginary world with a battle between two imaginary countries and writing an 8 page story about it.   And then emailed it with her lab sheet.  Not only did Mr. Owens read the extra material, he emailed her back to compliment her on the story. :001_wub: )

 

That's hysterical! My dd protested writing a narrative by writing it in verse once. No battles in physical science, so far.

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I forgot we did this book last year, and liked it pretty well: https://www.artofproblemsolving.com/store/item/moems-problemsolving

 

Whatever we choose for Algebra, since we will start mid-year this year, she will likely be done with time to spare next year. Maybe I need to look at a contest prep or book like AoPS Art of Problem Solving or Counting and Probability for after Algebra.

 

If she likes those, we could look at having her do the Intro Algebra A class through AoPS, if not, continue on with Jurgensen. At that point if she likes the AoPS, it would involve some review of material and she could concentrate on the pace and method of the course.

 

Anyhow, I always forget about Alcumus, and maybe I should add that into her schedule regardless. She'll never have any opportunity for math club or contests, so I would like to expose her to some of that kind of thinking.

 

This is probably thinking ahead too far, but somehow I have a dread of short-changing her math education. I hate the idea that a door might be closed to her somewhere because I picked the wrong math. :svengo:

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I have the Foerster book and teacher's edition. It is very, very thorough. I don't think you can go wrong with it, honestly.

I have to agree. We are in Aops currently because DS just wants to stick with it (he also studies two languages but no serious sports here) but I know Foerster would be better for us.
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