eloquacious Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 The copyright date should make it available, and Intermediate LL is available... I mean, I have a copy of the reprint in my hand which I bought used, but I'd like to see the original before they revised it. Does anyone know? JoAnne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 There is, but you have to go to archive.org and search for Emma Serl. I think that Google books took it off because of the fear of conflicting with those who currently publish it, but unless it's Ms. Serl's family publishing it or the family has renewed the copyright and then sold it, it's still in the public domain. I also found it at Gutenberg, but the formatting is atrocious. Hope that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertmum Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 The copyright date should make it available, and Intermediate LL is available... I mean, I have a copy of the reprint in my hand which I bought used, but I'd like to see the original before they revised it.Does anyone know? JoAnne Hi. I don't want to hijack the thread, but I got to google books looking for this too but it didn't have a "download" buttum. How do I download the Intermediate LL book? :blushing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katiejean Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I'm interested as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolamum Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Hmm.. I don't see PLL showing up. Shame, I'd love to see it. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.... Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I have it if you have any specific questions. It's an awesome little book. There's some writing exercises, oral grammar exercises, etc. My 8 yro is working thru PLL this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorrelZG Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I looked on archive.org and it's not showing up in a search - only Intermediate Language Lessons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorrelZG Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Hi. I don't want to hijack the thread, but I got to google books looking for this too but it didn't have a "download" buttum. How do I download the Intermediate LL book? :blushing: ILL on Google with download link (top right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunD Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 There is, but you have to go to archive.org and search for Emma Serl. I think that Google books took it off because of the fear of conflicting with those who currently publish it, but unless it's Ms. Serl's family publishing it or the family has renewed the copyright and then sold it, it's still in the public domain. I also found it at Gutenberg, but the formatting is atrocious. Hope that helps! I can't find it on either. Is there a chance you downloaded it when it was available and can share? There was a "vintage grammar" thread awhile back and several people were looking for it there as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 I think the reason it's not on is because the libraries Google is digitizing material at, don't have it. You can see who has it at worldcat.org. There are plenty of out of copyright books still sold like Little Women. Vintage thread here http://www.welltrainedmind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157186 Mary Hyde's books are also on Google Books. They're the basis for Eng for the Thoughtful Child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloquacious Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) Okay, so that worldcat.org link really helped. So, a question... I mean, if I simply scan the 1911 version and upload it somewhere, that's perfectly legal, right? Then we can all share it? Sigh. Nevermind. Worldcat said the library one town over had a copy of the 1911, but it's the re-issue. The next closest is Stanford University Library... ;) Might as well check my alma mater next time I'm in town, I'm pretty sure they'd have it. Edited June 14, 2011 by eloquacious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertmum Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 ILL on Google with download link (top right). The link didn't work for me. Maybe it is because I'm in the Gulf? Thanks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertmum Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Okay, so that worldcat.org link really helped. So, a question... I mean, if I simply scan the 1911 version and upload it somewhere, that's perfectly legal, right? Then we can all share it? Sigh. Nevermind. Worldcat said the library one town over had a copy of the 1911, but it's the re-issue. The next closest is Stanford University Library... ;) Might as well check my alma mater next time I'm in town, I'm pretty sure they'd have it. I think a tad far from regular libraries. Currilick sells it for about $14. Considering I just bought startwrite and therefore blew my hs budget big time... :tongue_smilie: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 http://www.archive.org/details/intermediatelan01serlgoog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Okay, so that worldcat.org link really helped. So, a question... I mean, if I simply scan the 1911 version and upload it somewhere, that's perfectly legal, right? Then we can all share it? Sigh. Nevermind. Worldcat said the library one town over had a copy of the 1911, but it's the re-issue. The next closest is Stanford University Library... ;) Might as well check my alma mater next time I'm in town, I'm pretty sure they'd have it. That is legal. There appear to be some 1894 ones, too: http://www.worldcat.org/title/sheldons-primary-language-lessons/oclc/17895660&referer=brief_results If you need it for educational uses, your local library will sometimes ILL you even an old book, and are usually happier to help you if you print out the Worldcat numbers and locations for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 ElizabethB, that's Sheldon's, not Serl's. Sheldon's is already scanned and available online: http://books.google.com/books?id=NpcAAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false http://www.archive.org/details/sheldonsprimary00compgoog There are quite a few viable vintage alternatives to Serl's, I think. I wish I had a library close to me with the book. I'd certainly be willing to scan it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloquacious Posted June 14, 2011 Author Share Posted June 14, 2011 Hmm. Too bad that it's not more readily available. As I stated originally, I do have a copy of the reissue, but it states that the text has been modernized, so I wanted the original to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 ElizabethB, that's Sheldon's, not Serl's. Sheldon's is already scanned and available online: http://books.google.com/books?id=NpcAAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false http://www.archive.org/details/sheldonsprimary00compgoog There are quite a few viable vintage alternatives to Serl's, I think. I wish I had a library close to me with the book. I'd certainly be willing to scan it. Oh, sorry, I was confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) I can't find it on either. Is there a chance you downloaded it when it was available and can share? There was a "vintage grammar" thread awhile back and several people were looking for it there as well. I only have Intermediate because that's what I was looking for, but I'm fairly certain that I saw the primary one as well at archive.org. I'll see if I can come up with a link... ETA: I can't seem to find it either, which is strange because I'm sure I saw it. It's possible that someone has renewed the copyright, which would explain why it can't be found. Edited June 14, 2011 by Pata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 None of the libraries that have Serl's PLL are part of Google's digitization project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sltress Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I am too new to post FS here but here is a link to the PLL and TM that I have if you are looking for one. http://homeschoolreviews.com/forums/2/thread.aspx?id=93103 I will even knock it down to $13 ppd Stacey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenJewel Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I haven't found Emma Serl's but there is another one called Sheldon's Language Lessons (Primary and Advanced) that looks very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloquacious Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 Thank you for your offer, but as I stated, I already own a copy of Perl's PLL, in the reissued form. However, I am working on a primary English curriculum based on a number of classic sources, and I'd like to see the original of Perl's work. (The reprinted copy we all have has been edited to modernize the text.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sltress Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Oh. Duh. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloquacious Posted June 15, 2011 Author Share Posted June 15, 2011 I'd hate to use some of it in my compilation and find out that it was from the revision, not the original. Sort of like a high school student quoting Jane Austen's boxing scene in Pride and Prejudice... which was of course an invention of the screenwriter. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 CMmomma found it on Google Books, from Stanfords's collection http://books.google.com/books?id=JfAsAQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22Emma+Serl%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wPx6T6q6LIaI0QHt5I2pBg&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=inauthor%3A%22Emma%20Serl%22&f=false Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reflections Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I found both by searching on google books under Serl's name. Maybe I didn't find the right version??? Either way, thank you for the discussion, these are wonderful little books and I am very happy to have been introduced to them. On a side note - I'm trying to figure out how to get them on my Kindle Fire. There is a bit of a learning curve there...;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripe Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 We've been seaching for PLL for some time but it just came up on google books. It was not previously available. I am bumping this thread as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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