Aubrey Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Adjective or pronoun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy in KS Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 possessive pronouns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalMom Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Possessive pronouns me thinks. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 possessive pronouns Good--that's what I started to write, second-guessed myself, wasn't sure where to look, Googled, &...oh my. One should not google grammar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) Adjective or pronoun? Both. They replace possessive nouns (pronouns), but also modify nouns (adjectives). In Spanish (and French??) they're called possessive adjectives - I think because they have to act like adjectives in agreeing with the noun they modify in gender and number. In English I've seen them both as possessive pronouns and possessive adjectives. MCT recently changed his mind and is switching from calling them pronouns to adjectives (so depending what printing you get, his books can disagree with themselves). Someone here said Shurley solves the problem by calling them possessive pronoun adjectives (ppa) - I like that and it's what I have my kids call them. Possessive pronouns alone would be mine, yours, hers, etc. Edited May 10, 2011 by matroyshka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dulcimeramy Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Possessive pronouns can function as adjectives. R&S English grade 5, pg. 270: "Some possessive pronouns are used as adjectives: my, your, his, her, its, our, their. Other possessive pronouns are used as pronouns: mine, yours, his, hers, its, ours, theirs. Notice that his and its may be used either way. When a possessive pronoun modifies a noun, it is used as an adjective. When it stands alone, it is used as a pronoun. My book is blue. (adj.) Mine is blue. (pronoun.) His shoes are new. (adj.) His are new. (pronoun)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalMom Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Possessive pronouns can function as adjectives. R&S English grade 5, pg. 270: "Some possessive pronouns are used as adjectives: my, your, his, her, its, our, their. Other possessive pronouns are used as pronouns: mine, yours, his, hers, its, ours, theirs. Notice that his and its may be used either way. When a possessive pronoun modifies a noun, it is used as an adjective. When it stands alone, it is used as a pronoun. My book is blue. (adj.) Mine is blue. (pronoun.) His shoes are new. (adj.) His are new. (pronoun)" Well, that must be it - we only just finished up R&S Eng 4! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WishboneDawn Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) MCT recently changed his mind and is switching from calling them pronouns to adjectives (so depending what printing you get, his books can disagree with themselves). He's earned a black mark from my daughter for calling articles adjectives. She gets his reasoning and accepts it but has decided the, a and an are more defined by how they point out nouns then how they modify them. She also refuses to bend on being verbs which MCT calls linking verbs. :) I happily blame KISS grammar for her refusal to surrender her reasoning to one programs rules. Edited May 10, 2011 by WishboneDawn spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheryl in SoCal Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 He's earned a black mark from my daughter for calling articles adjectives. She gets his reasoning and accepts it but has decided the, a and an are more defined by how they point out nouns then how they modify them. She also refuses to bend on being verbs which MCT calls linking verbs. :) I happily blame KISS grammar for her refusal to surrender her reasoning to one programs rules. Shurley also calls them linking verbs, and I think AG does as well. I've never seen a program that labels them as being verbs. They state that they are being verbs but label and call them linking verbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnandtinagilbert Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 we call them possessive pronouns, and also sing, "They often act as adjectives and can be in the predicate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 He's earned a black mark from my daughter for calling articles adjectives. She gets his reasoning and accepts it but has decided the, a and an are more defined by how they point out nouns then how they modify them. She also refuses to bend on being verbs which MCT calls linking verbs. :) I happily blame KISS grammar for her refusal to surrender her reasoning to one programs rules. I think article adjectives and linking verbs are pretty standard, not MCT-isms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momling Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Your, my, their, his, and her are determiners. That is, they are modifiers of a noun or noun phrase, but not adjectives -- just like articles and quantifiers. Yours, mine, theirs, his and hers are possessive pronouns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momling Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) . Edited May 10, 2011 by Momling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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In The Great White North Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 He's earned a black mark from my daughter for calling articles adjectives. She gets his reasoning and accepts it but has decided the, a and an are more defined by how they point out nouns then how they modify them. She also refuses to bend on being verbs which MCT calls linking verbs. :) My mom's English book (from 1940) calls them "copulative verbs." I don't suppose she would like that either. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecj98 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Shurley Grammar calls them Possessive Pronoun Adjectives and labels them "PPA". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GypsieFamily Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 I thought they were possessive pronouns too, but my grammar is average. I agree with you about not googling grammar, I have made that sorry mistake before. BTW, you are now the second person I have 'heard' using 'one' as the first person singular. You, and my 8yo daughter, Susan. She has also begun to say that things 'smart' instead of 'hurt'. I love the archaic language that comes from the classics :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehogs4 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Adjective or pronoun? I'd have to agree with Shurley - possessive pronoun adjectives. I know them as the "adjective pronouns." It is my book. My is modifying the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Robyn Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Your, my, their, his, and her are determiners. That is, they are modifiers of a noun or noun phrase, but not adjectives -- just like articles and quantifiers. Yours, mine, theirs, his and hers are possessive pronouns. It's nice when somebody speaks the thoughts I'm forcing myself to stifle. Thank you Momling.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 BTW, you are now the second person I have 'heard' using 'one' as the first person singular. You, and my 8yo daughter, Susan. She has also begun to say that things 'smart' instead of 'hurt'. I love the archaic language that comes from the classics :) One = 2nd person singular, but more formal & less offensive (if you're following it w/ SHOULD) than YOU. LOL I didn't think it was archaic, though! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 I knew y'all would have opinions...:lol: But really, this isn't for dc's grammar assignment. I'm using the phrase in a sentence, & I want to make sure I'm not being controversial w/ my grammar label. Because we know how divisive grammar can be! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Robyn Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 One = 2nd person singular, but more formal & less offensive (if you're following it w/ SHOULD) than YOU. LOL I didn't think it was archaic, though! :lol: That's weird. I've only ever heard it used as the third person singular - to refer to anyone, not just "you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momling Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 It's nice when somebody speaks the thoughts I'm forcing myself to stifle. Thank you Momling.:) Ironically, due to some weird board posting problem, I spoke my thoughts four times! Perhaps that makes up for your stifled ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoo_keeper Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 One=3rd person singular (not 2nd person). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) Your, my, their, his, and her are determiners. That is, they are modifiers of a noun or noun phrase, but not adjectives -- just like articles and quantifiers. Po-TAY-to, Po-TA-to. ;) You are defining the term "adjective" in a very narrow sense, to mean only descriptive adjectives. There are also limiting adjectives (articles, numbers, possessives, demonstratives (this, those etc.)). Just a different classification system. Depending on the type of adjective, there can be different rules as to where to place them, but they can all be seen as types of adjectives. In all the other languages I have studied, these have always been defined quite clearly as limiting adjectives, never "determiners". I'd much rather teach my kids the same terminology for the same parts of speech across languages. Edited May 10, 2011 by matroyshka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Robyn Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Po-TAY-to, Po-TA-to. You are defining the term "adjective" in a very narrow sense, to mean only descriptive adjectives. There are also limiting adjectives (articles, numbers, possessives, demonstratives (this, those etc.)). Just a different classification system. Depending on the type of adjective, there can be different rules as to where to place them, but they can all be seen as types of adjectives. In all the other languages I have studied, these have always been defined quite clearly as limiting adjectives, never "determiners". I'd much rather teach my kids the same terminology for the same parts of speech across languages. It depends on how you're studying them. If you're reading about them in a linguistics book determiners will not be called adjectives. If you're taking a typical foreign language course, then prescriptive grammar terms are bound to be used. Determiners exist and are defined/labeled as such cross-linguistically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matryoshka Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 It depends on how you're studying them. If you're reading about them in a linguistics book determiners will not be called adjectives. If you're taking a typical foreign language course, then prescriptive grammar terms are bound to be used. Determiners exist and are defined/labeled as such cross-linguistically. While from a theoretical point of view I find myself firmly in the descriptivist camp, from a practical point of view, with the goal of learning and using modern standard languages in real-world situations, I find the prescriptivist terms more useful. :D Still just a difference in classification systems rather than right/wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aubrey Posted May 11, 2011 Author Share Posted May 11, 2011 That's weird. I've only ever heard it used as the third person singular - to refer to anyone, not just "you." Well...right...anyone, but replacing that "general you" that can sound so...offensive sometimes. It replaces oneself pretty well, too. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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