raganfamily Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Help. I have a 7th grader whom has always done well with grammar. She did R & S 6 last year and was fine. This year she is completing R & S 7 and is doing horrible. I don't know if it is the age...or what. Someone referred Analytical grammar to me and I would love any response or opinions to this. If you have any other suggestions for Grammar for her please let me know. :bigear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellie Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Help. I have a 7th grader whom has always done well with grammar. She did R & S 6 last year and was fine. This year she is completing R & S 7 and is doing horrible. I don't know if it is the age...or what. Someone referred Analytical grammar to me and I would love any response or opinions to this. If you have any other suggestions for Grammar for her please let me know. :bigear: Define "horrible." I'd do a lot of analysis before changing to a different publisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raganfamily Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 Every day is a struggle with her grammar. She is the oldest of 5 and does a lot of it on her own. Every exercise she completes she gets over half wrong every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacy in NJ Posted October 19, 2010 Share Posted October 19, 2010 Did she do it independently last year or have your assistance? We really love AG here, but agreeing with Ellie that I'd be reluctant to switch publishers, I might have her repeat R&S 6. IMO, R&S at the upper levels is pretty rigorous, loosing a year to reinforce wouldn't be a tragedy. Every day is a struggle with her grammar. She is the oldest of 5 and does a lot of it on her own. Every exercise she completes she gets over half wrong every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raganfamily Posted October 19, 2010 Author Share Posted October 19, 2010 She completed R&S 6 on her own last year but it was a little hard for her. I thought about changing this year, but decided to stick with R&S. I would not want to repeat R&S 6 again with her. I am wanting to make sure she has a good foundation of grammar before starting high school... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raganfamily Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share Posted October 20, 2010 :bigear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIch elle Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 What chapter is she in? The first chapter is the hardest in that book - too much review too fast. If you can skim it and move on, you'll do better with the other chapters. I highly recommend making flash cards for ALL terms that are not already memorized and do them daily until memorized (gerund, verbal, etc.). Look at CLE LA 6 or 7 which are excellent, if you can't continue with R&S. I like CLE LA 7 better than R&S E. 7. http://www.clp.org/store/by_course/37 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugs Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 R&S 7 seemed like a bump in challenge level for my kids. At the beginning of the year I let them go independently, but with both I found out quickly that I needed to do the class practice with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siloam Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I love AG, but it approaches grammar a bit differently than R&S. First of all AG uses an unusual sequence: nouns, articles, adjectives, pronouns, prepositions (and their phrases), verb, subject, articles, OD, ID, Linking Verbs, Helping Verbs, compounds and basic verbals are season 1. Personally AG works for me because of the unusual order, but it isn't for everyone. Second AG does have the child diagram Predicate Normative, but when they are parsing they mark it as just a noun. Same with pronouns, you don't worry about what type they are. So AG uses bigger buckets where R&S is specific. That sometimes is what really clicks for some, and other people might find it more confusing. I am a big picture thinker so this works for me. Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raganfamily Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Second AG does have the child diagram Predicate Normative, but when they are parsing they mark it as just a noun. Same with pronouns, you don't worry about what type they are. So AG uses bigger buckets where R&S is specific. That sometimes is what really clicks for some, and other people might find it more confusing. I am a big picture thinker so this works for me. Heather Thank you for explaining AG as a bigger picture and R&S as specific's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raganfamily Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 What chapter is she in? The first chapter is the hardest in that book - too much review too fast. If you can skim it and move on, you'll do better with the other chapters. I highly recommend making flash cards for ALL terms that are not already memorized and do them daily until memorized (gerund, verbal, etc.). Look at CLE LA 6 or 7 which are excellent, if you can't continue with R&S. I like CLE LA 7 better than R&S E. 7. http://www.clp.org/store/by_course/37 Great idea on the flash cards. We use flash cards for some of our other subjects, but not for grammar. Thank you for referring CLE LA 7, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine State Sue Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 We used AG for 6th-7th-8th grade. You may read my review here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alegnab Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 he hit puberty. He had been using Rod & Staff and would consistently get most everything correct. He had no problem with understanding grammar. Then when he hit puberty, he forgot everything. He couldn't even identify nouns or verbs. He kept getting so many things wrong and wasn't understanding anything, so I decided to set it aside for a while. Then he started classes through The Potter's School. He has been doing their grammar since then, but up until this school year, he still wasn't understanding it. He had to take a pretest for TPS English this year, and he flunked the grammar portion. His teacher required that he do grammar over the summer in order to be allowed in the class. He used Grammarlogues but had so many problems with the program that he got very little done. His TPS class is using Analytical Grammar this year. He failed the pretest. However, he just finished unit 4 (they are doing one unit per week to finish AG in one year), and he has gotten A's on the four tests. Of course, it helps that AG allows the student to take the test open book, so they can look at their notes as much as they want. I don't think ds has been doing that much, though. Anyway, we'll see if his high grades continue. He finally seems to be understanding grammar again. BTW, although he almost flunked those two grammar pretests, he did the diagramming portions almost perfectly. He always retained his ability to diagram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB in NJ Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Having taken grammar for all 4 years of high school (advanced, college-level classes) and working for the Dean of Students at a prestigious Secretarial School in Philadelphia and being a substitute English teacher at that school and being an administrative assistant and a legal secretary for 20 years (.....and I know this is an awful, grammatically incorrect sentence, but I'm trying to make a point! lol), I can tell you that R&S 7 covers things that I didn't learn until well into high school. The jump between R&S 6 and 7 is ENORMOUS. Just my humble opinion :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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