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  1. Hi, My boys (late middle school to early high school) and I have finished all of Analytical Grammar now, and I realized that it doesn’t cover verb tenses usage. And that is the area that I had never really got the hang of myself (English isn’t my first language). I mean I understand what each tense is for and stuff but never really mastered because there wasn’t enough practice for each of those more “obscure” verb tenses imo. Please let me know of any comprehensive curriculum or resource that practices all the verb tenses. Thanks in advance!
  2. I really want to drop Analytical Grammar (AG) in favor of the Grammar for the Well Trained Mind. I don't like Junior Analytical Grammar (JAG). We need spiral. This has very very little instruction in it compared to what I am used to with FLL 1-4. Am I wrong to think AG is going to be more of the same we are experiencing with JAG? I already bought AG but I just don't think it will go well if it is just like JAG. I just flipped through and to me it looks the same. TIA.
  3. Hi All, We are fairly new to homeschooling and wanted to know if someone can tell me the difference between the IEW writing program and the Analytical Grammar Beyond the book report program. We have finished the Analytical Grammar Jr books (both) and are now starting the Analytical Grammar work books. Can someone please chime in and tell me what they recommend for writing? I am working with kids that were yanked out of public school at 4th & 5th grade in November 2016. They have both excelled with AG and are now doing 6th grade reading and writing. Thanking you all, Nini
  4. I am looking for a one year grammar review program for my son. He has done R&S, CLE and another program that I can't remember at the moment. It seems all the grammar studying he has done isn't spilling over into his writing. At this point I have narrowed my search to either Fix it or AG but I am open to other suggestions. I think we could get through AG easily in a year but I'm not sure how far we could get in Fix It. I know the first few books might go quicker but then we would need to slow down. Any suggestions or thoughts on these programs? Thanks!
  5. I'm thinking (still deciding between this and another program) I might get AG for my almost 13 DS and JAG for my just turned 11 DD. I am also thinking I'll get the Beyond the Book Report for DS and integrate that according to the schedule outlined on the AG site. But I'm wondering what to do with DD after she's finished the JAG Grammar and the JAG Mechanics in regards to writing/composition. Would starting something like Winning with Writing make sense (basically almost at the end of the year)? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around scheduling so that she is working on some part of grammar and/or writing for the whole year while DS is working on his (already planned out) schedule. Any help welcomed! :)
  6. I was reading through the WTM4 and I noticed they don't recommend Analytical Grammar until grades 9 and 10. I had planned to use it for the next three years for grades 6-8 with the reinforcement and review. I am questioning this now. When did you use it and do you think the years you used it were a good fit?
  7. DS has worked pretty easily through the grammar content of Rod and Staff up to Book 8. We do all the exercises in the book orally and he completes all the worksheets and tests - this really is a lot of grammar he has managed to complete. My problem is with several more years of schooling, how do I keep his hand in with grammar? I probably will not continue with R&S book 9 as the writing and non-grammar content increases to the point that we may end up skipping over too many lessons. I was wondering about Analytical Grammar. Would we need to work through the textbook lessons, or could we just move directly to either the Reinforcement and Review books or the High School Reinforcement books? We also use IEW Fix-it. DS makes the corrections then later writes the corrected passages as a dictation exercise. I like this and will continue doing this activity regardless of our main grammar approach.
  8. Hi :) I am planning our 2015 Language Arts program. Currently we are using CLE Larts 3. Over the years I have not found it to be meatier enough and not sure whether DD is remembering the grammar aspects. There are lots of superfluous things in it for us. I like SPIRAL, so was wondering whether Saxon/Hake would be a better fit for us. Or Analytical Grammar. I have VIE at home - but the teacher's guide is just too full on and it is not spiral, but mastery. We will def use the writing portion at the back for writing curriculum (along with IEW) What is the feedback you would give me regarding the big change from CLE to Hake or AG? I know we would need to add in a spelling program as well. Thanks Sherid Australia
  9. I have a new 7th grader in the family who seems (according to the Easy Grammar placement tests) to be very below grade level. On the test, there was not one single skill section that he seems to understand and that was on both the elementary and middle school placement tests. I was planning to use Analytical Grammar but now seeing that we need to start earlier, I'm wondering if I should be looking at the Junior product instead. The description sounds like it's the same as the first unit of AG but written to a younger audience and more student/teacher dialogue. Does that ring true for those of you who have used these? Would you start with junior or just go AG nice and slow? I'm quite surprised at just how far below grade level he seems to be. In writing, he's not capitalizing the first word, random capitals mid-sentence, misusing apostrophes (ex. plural for frog became frog's), and not doing ending punctuation. Coincidentally, we're also using WWS level one. I'm really second guessing just how far back and start with. Obviously, I don't want to waste time unnecessarily but I also don't want to pick up where the public system left off of progressing through grade levels when he's not mastered previous years' material. What would you do? Thanks in advance. I really appreciate feedback from the experienced voices.
  10. Originally used R&S this year, but just. can't. make. it. work. I really wish I could, so I'm just moving on...now my older students are using KISS and have completed the first section. We will continue doing KISS till I figure out the grammar thing. :banghead: For writing my 3rd, 4th, and 5th grader are using CW at different levels, and its going well. So...we need to find a complementary grammar program. I think I would really like AG, but KISS seems mighty similar, just with a crazy confusing website. The printable books are actually pretty logical and clear, we all are liking them. I've been looking at JAG for my 4th and 5th Grader and it looks like it would be a good complement to CW, but if by chance KISS would do the trick, we could continue that too. I really have tried to navigate the KISS site to figure out if they cover the same topics as AG, some I can say for sure, yes, they are covered, and some I'm not seeing it. Grammar terms explained, (KISS: Yes) Parsing, (KISS: Yes) Diagramming, (KISS: NO) Usage (such as s/v agreement, etc.) (KISS: ???) Capitalization and Punctuation Rules/Practice (KISS: Some????) Editing practice (KISS: ???) Any thoughts?
  11. I thought I had all my choices made for next year, but I'm considering Analytical Grammar as an option for my kids. I'm leaning toward not doing grammar every year and wanting to take the time to concentrate on writing skills. I get how to do that for my DD who will be in 6th grade next year. I could do the AG for her as they recommend for 3 years. They say it takes about 10 weeks to do the first season, what do you do the rest of the year? Concentrate on writing? I like the idea of it and I can see her really thriving with it since she wouldn't be bogged down with studying grammar for 1/2 an hour every day plus writing for 1/2 hour. It would streamline LA a lot more, I believe. Has this been your experience? But what about my DS who will be in 3rd. He did FLL 1 but has only been doing Phonics and Mechanics review this year (2nd). So my question is, if you use or plan to use Analytical Grammar for 6th-8th (or there about), what is your LA progression leading up to it? Do you do a program like Primary Language Lessons/Intermediate Language Lessons by Emma Serl that concentrates more on usage and writing with some grammar mixed in? Or a program like Essentials in Writing that has grammar teaching then concentrate on writing built into the program? Or do you do grammar every year leading up to it? Like R&S? Or do you do one year of grammar (3rd grade) and then concentrate on writing the other years (4th-5th), then hit grammar again for 6th? What would you recommend be used in this situation? Please share you experiences and/or opinions! Thanks for your guidance...
  12. Once you slogged through all three seasons, were you happy with the end result? I've been working myself up into a curriculum research frenzy the last few weeks trying to decide what to do for my 7th grade dd (and the kids coming behind her). She completed the first 10 weeks of AG this fall, but we (okay, maybe mostly I) were growing a little weary of the parse/diagram repetition. I was also bothered that we weren't hitting any review of punctuation, etc. the first year of the program. After looking at a ton of other options, I've now swung back around to take another look at the next two seasons of AG. They look pretty good. Sigh. I wouldn't mind completing the next two seasons next year for 8th grade if I had some reassurance that by the end of the program she would really be rock solid in grammar without any gaping holes. So for those of you who have completed it (or are nearing completion), do you feel as if it has covered everything? Any regrets? Did you supplement with anything like Daily Grams along the way (this occurred to me as a way to mix up the monotony of the parse/diagram exercises while also hitting some of that punctuation review I've been missing)?
  13. Once you slogged through all three seasons, were you happy with the end result? I've been working myself up into a curriculum research frenzy the last few weeks trying to decide what to do for my 7th grade dd (and the kids coming behind her). She completed the first 10 weeks of AG this fall, but we (okay, maybe mostly I) were growing a little weary of the parse/diagram repetition. I was also bothered that we weren't hitting any review of punctuation, etc. the first year of the program. After looking at a ton of other options, I've now swung back around to take another look at the next two seasons of AG. They look pretty good. Sigh. I wouldn't mind completing the next two seasons next year for 8th grade if I had some reassurance that by the end of the program she would really be rock solid in grammar without any gaping holes. So for those of you who have completed it (or are nearing completion), do you feel as if it has covered everything? Any regrets? Did you supplement with anything like Daily Grams along the way (this occurred to me as a way to mix up the monotony of the parse/diagram exercises while also hitting some of that punctuation review I've been missing)?
  14. Not sure about ordering them mainly due to expense. Are they worth it?
  15. I am very drawn to Analytical Grammar, but not so drawn to the price tag! I have also spent a fair amount of time looking over KISS grammar. They seem very much the same to me in their method, with the obvious exception of the target ages. I am on the verge of printing out the KISS workbook but I keep having this nagging feeling that I may be making a mistake. I have been at this homeschooling gig a number of years and can generally pinpoint just what I need. I can't put my finger on why I am feeling wishy-washy on this one, but I am. I know some of you use these programs, so I was hoping to get some feedback on your opinions and preferences. Maybe it will help me think through this one.
  16. My oldest has been in Rod and Staff since third grade. She and I are burned out. She's on chapter 3 of the 7th grade book now. I plan on her finishing the book over the summer. I want to focus on writing for 8th grade. We use TOG, so we'll do more of the Writing Aids assignments. She will also be doing Literary Lessons from Lord of the Rings in co-op in the fall. I'm tentatively planning on using AG for high school grammar. Is this a decent plan? Is there anything in the 8th grade R & S that we need to cover?
  17. So here is my dilemma. We have used First Language Lessons since the beginning. We are finishing the level 3 grammar book this week. My daughter is halfway through 4th grade. I would like her to do Analytical Grammar at some point in middle school, then their high school reinforcement books in 9-12 grade. She LOVES grammar and she wants to be an author, so I'd like her to continue it every year. My main question is this: How do First Language Lessons Grammar levels 3 and/or 4 flow into Analytical Grammar (AG)? Is diagramming similar in the two? If we continued to level 4 of FLL, would it make sense to begin AG in season two, or are things done differently enough that we'd begin AG in season one still? (link to what is taught in each season of AG: http://www.analyticalgrammar.com/faq#aggradelevel ) Also, with baby 4 on the way, I would really, really like to switch to a grammar program that is more self-taught than FLL. I really like the looks of GROWING WITH GRAMMAR (GWG), and I think she'd enjoy it, but I don't want to jump to that and then switch to AG later on. Unless those flow together pretty seemlessly too. Anyone know?? Additionally, because FLL level 3 and 4 do offer tons of diagramming, which is her favorite part of grammar, I'm concerned GWG and AG might not have as much diagramming as FLL, and that initially it would be a step backwards in that regard. That's how it appears from their samples. OR, if we switched to GWG and did that through book 8 (starting with book 5 after FLL 3?), and THEN went to the AG High School Reinforcement books, would that work well? Or are the two completely different and we'd have to go through AG anyhow in order to understand the AG high school workbooks?? I am spending days and days trying to figure this out, and still cannot decide. I really need first hand experience/advice!!! Please chime in!!!!! THANK YOU!
  18. Hello everyone. I'm new here. I'm also new to the classical way, so my high school daughter has not had all that everyone else here has had. She has struggled with grammar....she is not totally off mark...she seems to be able to identify parts of speech and can do ending punctuation but has trouble still with prepositions, commas, semi-colons, etc. So I've been looking at analytical grammar thinking to use it next year...the people at the site recommend she do it all in one year AND do one of the high school reinforcements at the end of the same year. Can I get your thoughts? Has anyone else used this in high school? Is it truly that good of a program to spend that much for one year of grammar?? Thank you so much!
  19. I just received my copy of Junior Analytical Grammar and I think I'm going to be very happy with it. I was reading through the info they sent about Analytical Grammar and how the first 10 weeks consists of "10 units (which covers what JAG covers.)" Are these units in AG the same as those as JAG? If you go straight from JAG to AG, do you need to do the first 10 units? Or would you do them quickly as a review? (I'm being VERY optimistic in that DS will actually "get" grammar after working this and Winston grammar. I can hope, right?:001_huh:)
  20. Help. I have a 7th grader whom has always done well with grammar. She did R & S 6 last year and was fine. This year she is completing R & S 7 and is doing horrible. I don't know if it is the age...or what. Someone referred Analytical grammar to me and I would love any response or opinions to this. If you have any other suggestions for Grammar for her please let me know. :bigear:
  21. I'll post my review below. I'm wondering what to do (if anything) for next semester. AG states that the student needs to be held accountable for all mistakes in writing. While I intend to do this, I think it would be beneficial for a while for ds to pick apart someone else's writing instead of me picking apart his writing all the time. I plan to use the AG HS reinforcement books in HS, but would like to do something different for the remainder of this year. I'm thinking of Editor in Chief (or something similar) or the English portion of practice ACT tests. If anyone would like to throw in their 2c about this, I'd be happy to listen. :bigear: Here's the review: Analytical Grammar website is http://www.analyticalgrammar.com. The videos at the website do a great job of explaining the program. AG breaks it up into 3 seasons/years. Season 1 has 10 weeks of daily grammar work, then review 1x every 2 weeks. Season 2 has 7 weeks of daily grammar work, then review 1x every month. Season 3 has 17 weeks of daily grammar work and then you are done. It can be completed in 1 or 2 years as well. We completed the program as they suggest in 6th-7th-8th grade with review between the seasons. Season 1 - basic grammar (parts of speech, parts of a sentence, basics of diagramming) Season 2 - advanced grammar (verbal phrases and subordinate clauses) (this completes the study of grammar) Season 3 - application of grammatical knowledge to the rules of capitalization, punctuation and usage Pros: • Clear and concise • Pick up and go (little to no preparation required from mom) • Teach lesson on first day of week and student can work on their own for rest of week. Only checking/correcting required from mom. • Each lesson in Season 1 has a theme (American flag, humorous Johnny Carson story, women & math, Mexican-Americans, Martin Luther King Jr., Jewish Americans, fairy tales, etc.) which makes the lessons more interesting. • Built-in review – new concepts are learned, but old concepts (ex. adverbs, conjunctions, gerund phrases) are never dropped. • Sentences are much more complex than Shurley grammar. • The review paragraphs are from real books (in other words, the sentences are not made up especially for grammar parsing). • Novelty of getting a letter grade on test • Comfort of letter grade for perfectionist mom (ds is missing some but still getting As/Bs) • Student book turns into a reference manual when you remove student exercises. • Erin Karl (author’s daughter) is very responsive to questions on AG yahoo group. Cons: • While I thought Season 1 was perfect, we could have used 2x as much practice/review for Season 2 (because it's difficult) and 3 (because it's detailed). • Some say it’s expensive. I spent $120 but will use it over 3 years. It has been worth every penny in the TIME that it has saved me. Disclaimer: I have a master’s degree in Operations Research, which is concerned with all things efficiency. Part of the reason I love AG is that it is the most efficient use of my time and my child’s time. This leaves time for other wonderful things like math, history, music, and sports! I imagine that if you are a good teacher, and you teach grammar year after year after year, you learn to make your lessons more and more efficient. That must be with the author, Robin Finley, did.
  22. I had really high hopes for AG... had heard so many good things about it, samples looked excellent. It was a lot of money for us, but I justified it believing that it would last us for 3 years and the younger kids as well. We've spent the last four weeks doing the first two chapters of AG and ds is just not getting it. The first chapter ds understood completely. Some excercises he did very well with, but others he completely bombed, I think just because he didn't like it and didn't apply himself. He ended up with a C+ on the test. He just finished chapter 2 and got a C on the test. This one he seemed to have more trouble with. He just couldn't catch all the indefinite pronouns. I'm really frustrated. It doesn't seem like there's enough instruction, just definitions and lists of words to memorize. Even if AG had a return policy, I can't mail it back from England. I don't want to switch programs again, but I don't know what to do. I thought about having ds read Grammar Land (printed that out last year for dd) because it personifies all the parts of speech, and I thought it might help the concepts to stick, but ds doesn't want to read a book that was intended for his younger sister. Any suggestions? We've used R&S in the past and it was too much work and time for me because we did so much orally. We also did GWG last year and, though ds did well with the exercises, he didn't seem to actually learn the information to carry the information over for future use, if that makes any sense. Its like he knew if for the day and then promptly forgot it the next. We spent the summer doing Winston Grammar supplemental exercises to get him caught up. He did well with that and got a B+ in the final test. I wish I had just bough Winston Grammar Advanced. Grrrr. What should I do????? Help!
  23. Calling all AG users. . . . . Is it just me, or does anyone else ditch the "Skills Support" page? I'm using this with my 13yo son, doing 2 years to make it through all 3 seasons. Next year, I'll start with my 10yo dd, when she's a sixth grader. But I have just never done the skills support. I read through it, and didn't like the way they paraphrased things. Am I missing something? Have you done it and would really recommend it?? Thanks for your insights. . . .
  24. would you choose to teach it every year with something like A Beka, CLE, etc.? I saw AG last year at the expo and heard rave reviews, so I made up my mind we would use that when the time came and have just be piddling with Winston Basic this year. (My sons are in 4th and 6th, btw.) We did use R&S thru 3rd for each and also did most of FLL 3 last year as well. Imagine my HUGE surprise when I looked at samples of CLE LA for grades 5 & 7!! Holy smokes! There is no way! My rising 7th grader would be clueless! Now, I am rethinking AG. I am thinking of putting them in CLE at probably 4/5th and 6th for my oldest. We only hit grammar once a week now. We have been working on learning to write a coherent paragraph. Our days drag on forever now. I really don't want to do grammar EVERY DAY, but when I see the scope of what CLE covers, especially so early, I feel I am not providing the best education possible for them. You know, I don't even have a clue about a lot of the grammar I saw in the 6-7th levels of CLE LA. If I did learn it at one time, I surely don't remember it now! Just how important is it to know and when do you need to know it? Thanks! Kim
  25. I enjoy using Rod & Staff textbooks (Math, Science, English, etc.), but I've come to a point where I am considering Analytical Grammar for my 8th grader. Any advice? We used R&S 3, 4, & 5 but she had a hard time with R&S 6. We took a long break, and now we are trying R&S 6 again. She is definitely ready now, but she dreads the lessons. I try to keep it short by doing the lesson orally which helps. Yet, when I look ahead at doing another 100+ lessons, I groan too. I watched the videos on Analytical Grammar's website last night. Erin is a very good salesperson! It sounds great and I like the fact that we can do it in chunks. But, I already own R&S 6 & 7. I need someone to convince to spend more $. :D I need to add that dd is struggling with depression and is easily overwhelmed. We are working with doctors, but until we get things evened out dd needs short lessons that won't frustrate her. TIA!
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