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Many people use the D level with some R level mixed in for the first year of high school, couldn't you just do that in 8th grade. If you read the intro notes in TOG, you will see that Marcia really spells out how to do high school credits, she even talks about giving hs credit in earler grades if the student can do the work. I don't know what an ISP is, but if you do TOG 8th-11th gradually building up to R work in 8th, you should be fine for all of your credits. Many people feel that the R level really reaches into college level work.
If you love using TOG I would stick with it.
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:lol::lol::lol:
Edited above to read "I have no chance to call around" Co-op is first thing in the a.m.
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I need to find the cost of the 8 maids a milkin' and 12 drummers drumming.
I thought the fife and drummers of Colonial Williamsburg would be a good place to start, but I have to find the cost of them and am at a loss on who has drummers for hire.
I have no idea where to start with a milk maid...any farmers willing to help out?
Of course ds has to have this for co-op tomorrow morning so I have no chance to call around.
Thanks
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You are welcome. I think the biggest problem with TOG for many is there are too many choices. Some people feel the same way about WTM. The trick is to understand the underlying philosophy of the curriculum, and then find the rhythm for your family. You wouldn't go to a buffet and try to eat everything there (unless you wanted to get sick LOL!) the same goes for TOG. Pick what you feel will work for your children and then enjoy!
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This post by Janice in NJ is great encouragement as well.
http://tapestryofgrace.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8201059621/m/7101018012
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I recently posted these questions on a yahoo list, so forgive me if you have already seen this. But I wanted to make sure to get as much input as possible before investing in TOG.
By way of background, I have a verbally gifted 4yo dd (reading at 2nd grade level last I checked) and an almost 2yo ds. I am 40yo, so more children are very unlikely. So I would only have one lower grammar age student next year. I want to start on ancient history next school year, regardless of what curriculum I use.
1. I have noticed that a lot of people seem to buy many of the books, and I wonder if anyone has been successful in using the library for most or all of the books (especially in the lower grammar stage, where there are so many more books). I did a trial run at our library and ordered the entire first page of books for all levels for week one of the free on-line samples. Ninety percent of them came within a week.
Using the library is a great option, I believe that is what Marcia (author of TOG) originally did when she was developing TOG. I only purchase LG books that are treasures, and we have 5 dc so it works better for us to have a good home library.
2. I have also noticed that many people specifically purchase one book as the spine for the curriculum. I kind of like the idea of having the book here in case the library books don't show up. But then the costs start to outweigh the benefits of the program. How helpful is having the spine in the lower grammar stage? If you use one for lower grammar, what do you use?
I think that having a spine is helpful when you don't want to dig deeper. I use SOTW for my LG and UG children and then add in extras as needed.
3. One of my biggest concerns is that Tapestry of Grace has a heavy Protestant influence, and we are not Protestant. Because my family members are all different religions, it is important to me that all religions be treated with respect. Has anyone come across anything in the program that is disrespectful or that belittles another religion (for example, saying that they are going to he** or cannot be saved)?
No, you will not find disrespect as far as I know. There is a TOG Catholic group, and although I am not Catholic, I did want to know if there was unintended bias. What I have seen from that group is the only issue is the reformation and that would be an obvious difference of pov. You can always change out books or ignore portions of the teacher's notes, but I don't think there is much to offend.
4. The company is really pushing the digital version (but I wonder if it is just because they make more profit off of it). I like the idea that in 5 or 9 years, when we have reached the upper levels, I will have access to information about new books added to the program. But I wonder how often this happens? The digital version is cheaper up front, but then there are the printing costs and the fact that you cannot resell it.
The digital is being pushed over the printed because when the economy took a downturn, TOG lost some of it's financial backing and had to find a less costly way to put out thier product. Without the digital, there might not have been a TOG today. Now that they have it, I think that they have really tried to expand the offerings and the way it can be used. Books go out of print very frequently these days, and since your children are still very young and you don't want to purchase a lot of books, digital may be a great choice for you. BTW, TOG seems to be on a solid financial base these days and has recovered from the loss of their investor.
5. One of the real benefits of the program is the ability to teach m
ultiple children from the same curriculum. Is it still worth it with only 2 kids? (And, of course, ds is sure to be the mathy one, right?)
Yes, I would say it is worth it. I am using it with two children now and will soon be adding in a third. When you have children in different levels it really makes easier, and if they have different strengths TOG gives lots of options. My dd loves reading and TOG has lots of that for her. My mathy son prefers maps and hands on, TOG covers that as well. I don' have to search for something different for each child.
Starting with young children give you time to work through the upper levels and get up to speed on the gaps in your own education. I wish I had purchased TOG sooner.
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Thanks for the help, I will look into this and pass it to my df!!
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Thank you so much!!! I will pass this along and see what happens!
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You do not even need the work text in the lower levels since the problems are all presented on the computer. The work text is for students (like my DD) who prefer to move away from the computer to do their problem solving. .
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I believe this changes in the upper levels (at prealgebra?) and they no longer enter their answers into the computer. Hopefully someone will let us know if the problems are presented on the computer as they are in the lower levels? .See this is where there is confusion at least for me. I have only heard about the lower levels. I had never heard of a change in the upper levels. Maybe someone who has used the upper levels will know. I'll have to re-visit this tomorrow. I have planning to do for the a.m.
Thanks for your help.
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I had no idea it was that small! Would you be able to purchase the workbook for TT5 without the DVD's?
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Well, technically you can write in any book, but I have never seen a math book that provided the space necessary to work out long math problems. The student must be working the problem out somewhere other than the book because some of these problems require a half a page or more to solve. While there may be a space that you could write the answer, there is no way the student could show their work in the book. The final answer just isn't good enough in math. The process is what is most important.
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There are some programs that do this, Right Start and MUS come to mind.
I am fully aware that the final answer in math is not sufficient and the importance of the process.
I have never seen the program myself, I was not aware of the size of the answer book, I thought that it was more of a teacher's manual. Yes, technically you can write in any book, but for some reason df thought this book was consumable. Since she is not a new homeschooler, nor am I, her assessment of the book was that dd could and should write in it. The challenge when you have younger children doing higher maths is that sometimes it is easier for them to write in the book.
Since TT seems to be a computer based program, it seems that it is possible that the interaction between the computer and text could be different than a traditional math book of similar level. Wouldn't it be possible that some of the work is done on the computer? Couldn't the student book have fewer problems per page to work out like MUS?
My point is just because you haven't seen something doesn't discount the possiblity of it existing. And for myself, having not seen the program, I now have an answer. TT is non-comsumable in the Pre-Algebra level unlike the lower levels.
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I think you are right. Df didn't realize this when she purchased.
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That is why almost all math programs to to a regular textbook starting around 3rd grade when long division and multiplication of double digits begin..
This is true for traditional math programs, but many homeschooling programs do allow for students to write in the book.
If the student has worked in the text, you might be able to call the toll free number and speak to the TT people about ordering just a student text. I'd bet that they would be willing to do it.
It is my understanding that they will not do this.
Keep in mind that I'm using TT6. There may be something that I don't know about the upper levels. I know that program changes in the upper levels.Yes, this is my understanding as well. That is why I specified the Pre-Algebra program.
But it isn't very often that you can't do the work on seperate paper in any workbook
True, but it is nice to have the option. If I had two children working at the same level, I would want each to have thier own text, and I would not need two sets of answer keys. KWIM?
I think that since TT is spiral bound is may appear to be a consumable book. Why not sell the components seperately? When you are homeschooling a large number of children (my df has 7, sometimes you need fleixbility in how you use books). If she knew she could not have purchased the text seperately, I am sure she would have used TT differently.
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So, the student doesn't write in the textbook? I have not seen the book, but my df thought that it would be challenging to have the student write answers on a separate paper.
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My friend has Pre-algebra TT and wanted to purchase the (student book) textbook for her next dd. It looks like she can only purchase the texbook/answer key combo for $79.95. Why would you be required to purchase something you already own with the original set? They don't sell the consumable part seperately?
I was considering TT, but if this is true, I would have to reconsider. With 5 dc, I don't want to spend that much money on an already pricey program.
Tell me it isn't so!
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I'm in! Anyone ever try Eat Fat Lose Fat, by Eng and Fallon?
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Praying! We just sold our house in 4 days! Our realtor could not believe it. God can do amazing things, try to rest in Him and trust His timing. ((HUGS)) because I know how emotionally draining this process is.
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We have a time-share in Williamsburg and have gone every year (sometimes twice a year) for the last 5 years. We always go off-season and we love it. Many of the staff there know us by sight and by name, we have our own costumes (the girls do, the boys have hats, guns, etc...dh not so much LOL!) ...yes, even I have a costume that I have been known to wear on occasion. Williamsburg is what you make of it. There is so much and it is constantly changing. Take time to look over the schedule, pick what programs you are interested in...interact with the re-enactors, ask questions, try some of the food.
It is living history, sometime there is anarcheological dig going on, you can talk to the archeologist and find out what they are digging and what they have found. We have learned about the guns, and cannons, we have marched with the fifes and drummers, played with colonial toys, made monsters at the DeWitt-Wallace museum, learned colonial dances, acted in plays, watched plays in the outdoor theatre, learned how to make
chocolate the colonial way, played colonial games in the street with our favorite re-enactor, become the center of an improv prompted by my dd pretending to walk off with a re-enactor's basket,etc. Some of these things were part of the programming, and some happened because we were there off-season and took the time to talk to the staff. We have seen so much and learned so much there. it has become a big part of our learning. Check out some of the children's programs and then see what your family likes and then move on from there.
Yes, go to Yorktown and Jamestown, go shopping, have fun at the pool, but don't miss all that Colonial Williamsburg has to offer. Our first trip we just walked through and were not impressed, it wasn't until we took the time to interact and become a part of all that is going on there that we really loved it.
BTW, there is an educator's discount, with a teacher's id you get 50% admission, and 15% off in all the shops. We use our HSLDA id's and dh and I get in for half price, children under 6 are free.
I think that going off-season is the key to really having a great experience.
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I don't see any problem with using it. We often use dough for cookies a little at a time over the course of several days. I would bake them today and enjoy.
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Thanks for the tip! I got one earlier but just got back to the computer now.
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I often serve dips on sliced cucumbers instead of crackers.
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Yes, but I didn't see a reversible version. Where can I get it?
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Thank you for posting this. I have a friend whose family is still in Haiti, her sisters are fine, but her mother is missing. If I hadn't seen your post this morning, I wouldn't have seen the news til later.
Praying.