I think this is going to be a case of not letting perfect be the enemy of good right now. I agree this is how it would go. Isn’t there a way that the current state databases talk to each other? It seems most appropriate that that would still happen with this. So the state would maintain the database, but there would be some kind of national system for verification across state lines. I agree completely with all of this.

I also find it bewildering to be more concerned about the possibility that spike proteins might somehow float through the air from a vaccinated person than about actual SARS-CoV2 particles (which are covered in spike proteins in ADDITION to carrying the virus that causes Covid19) that absolutely DO float through the air in large quantities and have the potential to cause all kinds of mayhem and harm to those who breathe them in.

I think someone included the link earlier, but since the endometrium it’s part of the immune system, it makes sense that an immune system flare can cause some bleeding. That can happen whether it’s due to a vaccine or an illness. For someone premenopausal, I wouldn’t think much of it unless it continued in subsequent months. Postmenopausal, I might look into it unless it stopped quickly and never came back. There’s no mechanism for this. How would it happen? Why would they ascribe it to something “somehow” being transmitted from a vaccinated person to them, rather than to any one of the myriad other common reasons for this to happen?

I actually think going with a passport system like other countries are using, where you have the barcode or whatever that can be scanned on your phone would be most secure and accurate, and allow someone to just display green or red status without having to disclose if they actually got vaccinated or if they have a waiver. But, some people were upset about that idea, so I don’t think it’s going to happen. I actually think it would’ve allowed for more privacy, for the reason just given.

Do you want me to repost my KF94 post here, or did you get it in the other thread? That’s still my recommendation for this scenario 😊. https://behealthyusa.net/collections/bluna-1/products/facefit-kf94-white-large?variant=36887346053284

That was quoting @TexasProud

PT has more evidence base behind it and doesn’t carry the degree of risk that chiropractic can.

Same. That’s another part of the extreme self-centeredness. How people handle this affects everyone else as far as whether people can do things like have a semi-normal colllege year next year. My college kids have been taking classes from home for over a year. They desperately want to be able to be back on campus. It’s beyond rude that there are people who think it’s their right to mess that up for everyone else. They can just stay home themself if they don’t want to play by the rules that everyone else is willing to.

You know, stepping back a bit from being zoomed in on how will people fake it and who will fake it and all that, what a jerk move for people to be putting other people’s health and very lives at risk by lying about being vaccinated in an environment where people are going to be counting on people being truthful about that in order to keep everyone safe. I just can’t get over how selfish and thoughtless of anyone but their own self that is. I have nothing good to say about anyone who would do that.

I understand why someone would, given the large increase in risk of death from Covid in pregnancy (22X increases risk) and the increased incidence in negative outcomes for both mother and baby, preterm birth, etc. On the other hand, a study of 90,000 pregnant women in the US who got the Pfizer or Moderna Covid vaccines, there were no negative effects found. This short BBC report strikes a nice balance of understanding the concern pregnant women might feel about the vaccine while presenting the facts: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-57013743

Killgallon would be a nice start or addition, because it can be done orally. That’s how I do it with mine, and it tends to be enjoyable. Could you choose a main writing curriculum that can also be mostly oral while she works on getting fluent with typing? And maybe having her written work be copy work that she can concentrate on doing really well with proper spelling and punctuation.

@Longtime Lurker Your avatar makes me smile every time 😁.

I read this several times trying to understand. Are you saying you think her getting sick and getting her period was somehow caused by her coworker getting a vaccine? Getting sick frequently messes with the menstrual cycle, so that seems like a possible explanation for the cycle disruption. I hope your dd is feeling better now.

At least California is catching them 😉. I’m being tongue in cheek, it’s just surprising to me that someone would readily state that they think the majority of kids in their state are dishonest to that degree. Obviously, there will be those kids anywhere, it’s just not the case for most of the college kids I know. In the case of Covid, my college kids and all their friends have all been eager to get vaccinated as soon as they can, and interestingly, it’s not primarily so they don’t get Covid themselves, but because they sincerely don’t want to pass it on to anyone else and they don’t want to contribute to continuing and prolonging the pandemic. It’s such a stark contrast in mindset to “most college kids in Texas will forge it.”

Maybe colleges outside Texas shouldn’t accept students from Texas if that’s the case 🤣 (I jest…but only a little.)

Do you know any more about what they are afraid of happening with this? mRNA doesn’t persist very long in the body, so I’m trying to think what the concern with that would be. The mRNA in the vaccine can only instruct cells to make spike proteins, so I’m not sure what people would be worried would happen instead of that.

I think we’re not going to agree on this. I think even among people I disagree with on the Covid vaccination issue, that most of them are still fundamentally good people who are going to follow the rules and will get their vaccine if it is required. Some won’t and will forge it, others will have to just forgo the activity. I think the percentage that will forge it is small, even if it’s easy to do. There’s not a chance I would do that, for instance if I had to prove I had some other vaccine I don’t have, and I suppose I could be wrong, but from what I know of people, I think I’m in the majority on that and it’s a minority of people who would lie and even go to the point of forging a document.

It sure does when most people will go ahead and get vaccinated so they can participate in colllege or whatever else they are wanting to do that requires it. There will be some people who forge it, but most will not. Texas is an outlier when it comes to vaccine records. It requires someone to specifically opt in, which I would expect a large percentage of adults have not done, nor young people who became adults after this went into effect. Most states will not have that problem.

Amazon has them, but there’s also a website called Behealthy USA that sells all of these. They even have some mix-and-match packs if you want to try different kinds. Here’s the Bluna, which tends to fit smaller faces well. They have a kids version also: https://behealthyusa.net/collections/bluna-1/products/facefit-kf94-black-large?variant=36887298244772 I have ordered from the website and was happy with my order. eta: interestingly, the guy testing them found the black models tend to be a slightly stiffer and not collapse with breathing as much as the white ones. So for people who really appreciate good air space, black might be slightly preferred. I have both colors, and I honestly don’t really notice that. Both of them stay away from my mouth and nose when I breathe. etaa: with the BLuna ones, they don’t prevent glasses fogging, because the air does pass through all of the filtration material, including the piece under the eyes. I’d have to look up which ones these are, but apparently some of the KF94s have an impermeable coating on that upper area so that the air doesn’t pass through the part of the filter that’s right under the eyes. ETA: I was looking for the ones that don’t do this, and I’m seeing a lot of reviewers saying that all the different brands I’ve mentioned here are their favorites for not fogging glasses. I rarely wear glasses, so I guess I’m not a good judge of which ones are good or bad at that.

I apologize for being a broken record, but a KF94 does sound like what you want. Some of the well regarded brands are Bluna, BOTN, Airwasher, Dr puri. There are lots of others. So far, there have been no reported issues with counterfeits of these. South Korea is pretty different than China m that regard 😉. Here’s an article with links to a lot of these masks about a guy who is an aerosol scientist who done a bunch of testing of them. One thing I like about his testing is that he’s not just testing how well the material filters, but he’s testing inside the mask while it’s being worn, to see how it’s actually performing. (pardon the yahoo sourcing, it just happened to be an article that includes links to a lot of these): https://news.yahoo.com/one-man-is-on-a-mission-to-figure-out-the-best-covidprotection-mask-here-is-what-he-found-174756926.html I would say that would be neither comfortable, nor effective. The jersey masks are less effective than woven cotton masks, and I don’t believe either of those has a nose wire. A well fitted nose wire is essential for getting a good fit.

I’d wonder what happens to the electrostatic aspect of the filter. That’s a big part of what allows the tiny particles to be captured, and I know washing degrades that. We rotate our KF94s. One of the people who has done a bunch of testing of them found no degradation in the filtration even after lots of reuses. So, the issue is rotating so they can dry out and so any virus on the surface dies between uses. I wear a cloth mask outside.

Thanks for sharing this. That’s a hero.

Knowing that Pfizer is using lower doses even with their adults, I wonder why they would go with a similarly high dose for kids? Would their be any patent reason preventing them from dropping down to a level closer to the pfizer version?

I haven’t seen. I hope it’s less since as it is, it seems the dosing they used for the adult one was more than was necessary (based on Pfizer’s lower dose working).

I have a medium and don’t find the seal great, even though it seems the right size. The nose wire seems too wimpy to get a proper seal. I only wear it for times I need one outside. The Happy Mask also only allows I think 50 washings before you throw it away. Personally, I recommend KF94 masks for all day wear inside. They are easy to find now and haven’t had the counterfeit problem KN95s have. The style seems to be a good fit for a wide range of faces, and they are very breathable. I like the ones with adjustable ear loops, but the ear loops can be tied to adjust, and using a behind the head ear saver helps a lot.