Yeah, I meant as far as a bad outcome. The chance of a bad outcome from Covid is astronomically higher than a bad outcome from a vaccine. I’m not talking just about symptoms.

I can’t imagine on what basis you believe even a very healthy “young great grandmother age” person would tolerate Covid19 better than the vaccine. That shows an enormous disregard for statistics and probabilities. Speak for yourself. Losing loved ones is traumatic for children and living during a pandemic is no picnic for them either. 40,000 US children have lost a parent to this disease so far. In India, children are being orphaned due to Covid at a rate they’re having a hard time keeping up with. You can’t sacrifice adults without it harming children as well.

I agree coincidental conditions are definitely getting noticed and I also feel like there seems to be confirmation bias with people who expressed a lot of worried for the vaccine possibly seem to have more, in a strange range, of side effects. that said, due to my personal experience and the fact that there is a very plausible mechanism for this one, I feel like this one is very possible. Anecdote ahead (no quoting necessary 😉): I have never in my life had midcycle bleeding. Then last month I had it for a full week, and it wasn’t until I was nearing the end of that week and it struck me that I had had my vaccine the previous week and to wonder if there was any way it could be related. My assumption was that it couldn’t be, but after seeing that other people had noticed the same thing, that correlation was enough to make me decide to put off scheduling the doctor appointment I had been planning to schedule about it for another cycle in case it was actually a vaccine side effect and it never happened again. Fast forward four weeks, and I got my second Moderna. I realized then that the timing was going to be unfortunate as far as whether I got that symptom again or not, because I would be at the same point in my cycle. I did end up having it again, but it was much, much lighter and shorter than it was the previous cycle. Now I will be waiting one more cycle to be sure it’s gone next time. If it is, I’m going to feel pretty certain the shot explains it for me. If it’s not, I’ll be headed to the doctor. That doesn’t mean I think that means everyone who experiences this is experiencing it due to the shot, since it’s true that this isn’t an uncommon thing to happen to women. It’s exceedingly uncommon for me though, having never happened before. I realize that could still be a coincidence, though happening after both doses would be pretty weird. still, as far as vaccine side effects go, this is a super mild one in my book, and I’d rather have this one than fever and chills and all that.

I thought it might be some small comfort to you to know that India has been frequent in the conversations, thoughts, and prayers of those I know. We have been praying in church, and among friends, my dh's company offered matching funds for donating to an organization to provide help for India, etc. I just wanted you to know that it's important to and breaking the hearts of people everywhere. The people of India are definitely not forgotten where I am right now.

It does make sense that it will be able to go more quickly this time because the vaccine is being given at a much higher rate. I’d think it took quite a long time for 10 million doses of HPV vaccine to be given, for example, whereas the US currently does that many Covid vaccines in just a few days. That doesn’t answer the long term question, of course, but given the alternative, still makes sense.

That’s what I was going to say about this article and some others that I’ve read in a dress this vaccine shedding thing. Whether menstruation can be affected by the vaccine and whether the vaccine can shed to other people are two entirely, entirely different things. While I agree they probably don’t have any data yet to indicate the vaccines actually are causing any menstrual changes, I think that’s just because it hasn’t been studied enough yet. I’d guess it’s infrequent (and not dangerous), but there is a plausible explanation for why an immune response can affect someone’s cycle. There is no plausible explanation for how their immune response could affect someone else’s cycle 🤦‍♀️).

A good quote from the article he links: ”The process occurs "in much the same manner that you make insulin or hemoglobin or myosin or any of the hundreds and hundreds of proteins that your body makes everyday," Offit said. "If I come and stand next to someone, I’m not going to catch their insulin," he said. "They’re not going to transfer insulin from them to me. That’s the level of thinking."

I think this is going to be a case of not letting perfect be the enemy of good right now. I agree this is how it would go. Isn’t there a way that the current state databases talk to each other? It seems most appropriate that that would still happen with this. So the state would maintain the database, but there would be some kind of national system for verification across state lines. I agree completely with all of this.

I also find it bewildering to be more concerned about the possibility that spike proteins might somehow float through the air from a vaccinated person than about actual SARS-CoV2 particles (which are covered in spike proteins in ADDITION to carrying the virus that causes Covid19) that absolutely DO float through the air in large quantities and have the potential to cause all kinds of mayhem and harm to those who breathe them in.

I think someone included the link earlier, but since the endometrium it’s part of the immune system, it makes sense that an immune system flare can cause some bleeding. That can happen whether it’s due to a vaccine or an illness. For someone premenopausal, I wouldn’t think much of it unless it continued in subsequent months. Postmenopausal, I might look into it unless it stopped quickly and never came back. There’s no mechanism for this. How would it happen? Why would they ascribe it to something “somehow” being transmitted from a vaccinated person to them, rather than to any one of the myriad other common reasons for this to happen?

I actually think going with a passport system like other countries are using, where you have the barcode or whatever that can be scanned on your phone would be most secure and accurate, and allow someone to just display green or red status without having to disclose if they actually got vaccinated or if they have a waiver. But, some people were upset about that idea, so I don’t think it’s going to happen. I actually think it would’ve allowed for more privacy, for the reason just given.

Do you want me to repost my KF94 post here, or did you get it in the other thread? That’s still my recommendation for this scenario 😊. https://behealthyusa.net/collections/bluna-1/products/facefit-kf94-white-large?variant=36887346053284

That was quoting @TexasProud

PT has more evidence base behind it and doesn’t carry the degree of risk that chiropractic can.

Same. That’s another part of the extreme self-centeredness. How people handle this affects everyone else as far as whether people can do things like have a semi-normal colllege year next year. My college kids have been taking classes from home for over a year. They desperately want to be able to be back on campus. It’s beyond rude that there are people who think it’s their right to mess that up for everyone else. They can just stay home themself if they don’t want to play by the rules that everyone else is willing to.

You know, stepping back a bit from being zoomed in on how will people fake it and who will fake it and all that, what a jerk move for people to be putting other people’s health and very lives at risk by lying about being vaccinated in an environment where people are going to be counting on people being truthful about that in order to keep everyone safe. I just can’t get over how selfish and thoughtless of anyone but their own self that is. I have nothing good to say about anyone who would do that.

I understand why someone would, given the large increase in risk of death from Covid in pregnancy (22X increases risk) and the increased incidence in negative outcomes for both mother and baby, preterm birth, etc. On the other hand, a study of 90,000 pregnant women in the US who got the Pfizer or Moderna Covid vaccines, there were no negative effects found. This short BBC report strikes a nice balance of understanding the concern pregnant women might feel about the vaccine while presenting the facts: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-57013743

Killgallon would be a nice start or addition, because it can be done orally. That’s how I do it with mine, and it tends to be enjoyable. Could you choose a main writing curriculum that can also be mostly oral while she works on getting fluent with typing? And maybe having her written work be copy work that she can concentrate on doing really well with proper spelling and punctuation.

@Longtime Lurker Your avatar makes me smile every time 😁.

I read this several times trying to understand. Are you saying you think her getting sick and getting her period was somehow caused by her coworker getting a vaccine? Getting sick frequently messes with the menstrual cycle, so that seems like a possible explanation for the cycle disruption. I hope your dd is feeling better now.

At least California is catching them 😉. I’m being tongue in cheek, it’s just surprising to me that someone would readily state that they think the majority of kids in their state are dishonest to that degree. Obviously, there will be those kids anywhere, it’s just not the case for most of the college kids I know. In the case of Covid, my college kids and all their friends have all been eager to get vaccinated as soon as they can, and interestingly, it’s not primarily so they don’t get Covid themselves, but because they sincerely don’t want to pass it on to anyone else and they don’t want to contribute to continuing and prolonging the pandemic. It’s such a stark contrast in mindset to “most college kids in Texas will forge it.”

Maybe colleges outside Texas shouldn’t accept students from Texas if that’s the case 🤣 (I jest…but only a little.)

Do you know any more about what they are afraid of happening with this? mRNA doesn’t persist very long in the body, so I’m trying to think what the concern with that would be. The mRNA in the vaccine can only instruct cells to make spike proteins, so I’m not sure what people would be worried would happen instead of that.

I think we’re not going to agree on this. I think even among people I disagree with on the Covid vaccination issue, that most of them are still fundamentally good people who are going to follow the rules and will get their vaccine if it is required. Some won’t and will forge it, others will have to just forgo the activity. I think the percentage that will forge it is small, even if it’s easy to do. There’s not a chance I would do that, for instance if I had to prove I had some other vaccine I don’t have, and I suppose I could be wrong, but from what I know of people, I think I’m in the majority on that and it’s a minority of people who would lie and even go to the point of forging a document.

It sure does when most people will go ahead and get vaccinated so they can participate in colllege or whatever else they are wanting to do that requires it. There will be some people who forge it, but most will not. Texas is an outlier when it comes to vaccine records. It requires someone to specifically opt in, which I would expect a large percentage of adults have not done, nor young people who became adults after this went into effect. Most states will not have that problem.