Yes that’s the one!

TWIV did a really good update in one of their podcasts last week.

I just watched a clip on YouTube by an Australian Rowan Dean ?journalist, claiming that a review of studies of HCQ showed benefit. He then said that in some Australian states Drs would be jailed for prescribing it. I wondered if you had heard this and had any more information Ausmum?

TWIV has a good podcast about the different vaccines this week.

I don’t have one, so no experience to relate, but I’d like to get one so hope you get some opinions!

The other thing that is very clever about choosing this subject is that if anyone should question it at all, or question any of their “facts,” they can say that they are heartless and don’t care about children and the horrendous people who prey on them.

I don’t know actual numbers, and it’s probably better now, but when I worked in an ER in London in the 80s the ER staff referred to cyclists as ‘organ donors’.

If you have close contact with a person who tests positive you are supposed to quarantine for 14 from that exposure, even if you test negative before the 14 days are up because you might still be incubating. A person with a positive test is supposed to isolate for at least 10 days from when symptoms started.

It’s bizarre! Some of the people that post this stuff have also told me I shouldn’t live in fear lol - of a real virus that I am looking after people suffering from!

The slightly amusing thing for me, now that I know it is a manipulation, is that the people posting these things are largely the ones who kept saying the people concerned about Covid were sheep who needed to wake up because they were being deceived.

Well that’s interesting to know! I thought maybe I had an overactive imagination. It is a very clever distraction though, because who is going to not agree with you about children’s safety.

I think all the posts on social media about human trafficking at the moment may well be a manipulation attempt to distract from other things. That probably sounds like a conspiracy theory right there lol. The people sharing them on my social media are the same people sharing the Covid denial, and the anti-vax stuff, so I’m kind of wondering if it may be coming from the same sources. It has been quite interesting to see the change in focus.

Yeah amazing lol! Whatever they’ve got we should bottle it. My dd’s university has rules that are getting stricter all the time, which is the only thing they can do so I agree with them. But a week or so ago the rule was no events larger than 20 people, yet they somewhat supported a protest involving at least 800 students. The cause was a worthy one but very hypocritical to not sanction those who took part and yet they are disciplining students for sitting next to their friend, and not allowing other activities. I know they had a right to protest and I support that right, but they should have also been given the responsibility of consequences, or you lose a bunch of compliance right there. You may be able to tell that the widespread hypocrisy is getting to me lol!

They aren’t as well sealed as fit tested N95 or KN 95, so even if the filter is as good, or better, you will get some leakage. I haven’t researched further with them, but it seems like the filter, if true, is almost certainly better than cloth. Mine fits me well and is comfortable.

Yes it’s impossible to know - especially when not really doing that much contact tracing. I’m just cranky about it because we have 3 members of the same family in our unit right now, and there’s a number more still at home, and it’s crazy the impact that one person catching it can have.

So then it seems like yet again some want it both ways: Schools cause minimal spread so it’s safe to open them Schools are just as likely to cause the increase in cases Which is it? I’m so sick of the hypocrisy displayed by so many! It’s no wonder people don’t know what to think. This is a right wing example but there are plenty on the left too!

To me it would seem that both are probably incorrect. And this is the thing that is so annoying about this whole thing - 2 extremes on everything. It’s pretty crazy to say you know that the astronomical number was caused by Sturgis, but it’s also disingenuous to say that only the actual direct cases are linked - we all know that a chain of infection can be caused, and none of us know how far that chain goes. Heaven preserve us from the partisan reporting of stuff from both the left and the right!

But the video linked above shows that de-escalation and containment is possible. And when you contrast that video and result with the photo in a post above of the man lying on the street with his arms up, who still ended up getting shot, I think we need to consider our approach. I realize you, Medicmom, deal with way more difficult situations than we do in a hospital, but I have seen many situations even there where de-escalation was possible but instead a pretty aggressive tone was used right away. I work with some really great nurses, but they often seem to feel that they don’t need to put up with this BS and react accordingly. I agree that we shouldn’t have to also, but that approach has limited success. I have, at times, asked them jokingly if they have heard of the term de-escalate, and we all have a laugh, but I do think it has to be a mindset that we need to have to maybe be able to handle some of these things in a better way.

He mentioned comparing US to Europe rather than individual countries, so maybe if you compare excess deaths in US to excess deaths in the whole of Europe you somehow get something different? Don’t know which is a more meaningful comparison.

I was just listening to a BBC podcast and they were interviewing the head of the US Coronavirus task force. He said that although the US may be 4th in deaths per 100K it is a lot lower in the table when you look at excess deaths. Does anyone know about that? I’ve only got my phone at the moment, as my dd is borrowing my laptop while her’s is fixed, and I find it hard to look at tables properly on it.

I just looked at a chart this morning that showed SD’s infection rate and infection density were way up there. Don’t know what’s going on with their hospitalizations.

Yes you’re probably right. Which is crazy!

I did hear an interesting thing on the latest TWIV podcast though. They were talking about students partying and pushing up the numbers and getting the university shut down, and one of the panel said the partiers may actually be the cause of saving many lives by getting things shut down quicker. They do spoil it for the ones trying to be careful, and I find myself getting annoyed about it, but is keeping them open really a very realistic proposition?

It’s very interesting to see the differences in different populations. One thing I’ve been telling myself, about how it is in the US, is that a proportion of the population here seems unable to understand/comprehend something that they do not have personal experience of, and take appropriate action. But people in New Zealand have had even less personal experience of it then us and yet still seem able to comprehend the situation and take appropriate action. I’m sure there are some there who haven’t, maybe there are lots there too, but it doesn’t appear to be as much of a theme there as it is here. I know for a fact that it is not as prevalent in the UK either, as I know many people there, but you could argue that it is because the UK has had more experience of it than us in many places.

Unfortunately I can’t seem to link it but I just read an article on the BBC website saying the French Dr, who first came out with the positive findings on HCQ, is being investigated for ethics violations.