Is what an issue for me? Do I think people of any age or gender should be having sex without marriage commitment? No. Do I think the female’s clothing makes a difference to whether they do that? No. Do I think people who have sex outside of marriage makes consent less of an issue? No. Do I think clothing sends a message? Sure. It sends a message that she is female and wearing clothing that is normative for the fashion of that generation. It might not be a fashion I like, but it doesn’t mean she is seeking or deserving or should expect bad behavior from men.

A lot easier than you can dance in a ball gown. Which every girl ends up yanking up so she can either cool off or have more maneuverability at some point. Unless they are raising their legs above their pelvis, it’s not going to show anything.

The dresses shown are the current trend, so no one is going to get a wrong idea from wearing clothing that nearly all the other girls wear too. The navel cleavage ones are the only issue I’d have. They won’t be difficult to maneuver in. Don’t presume that because you don’t know how to move in one that no one else does either. My rule for trying on any clothing of any kind is to move in it. Bend, stretch, sit and stand and walk. Still good? Okay.

Actually. It changes everything. If nothing else, in that scenario, she is ‘using’ him as well making it a mutual situation. Consent makes all the difference. No one is denying that both sexes like to have sex and sometimes both sexes don’t care about developing a relationship. That’s not the same as no consent.

Why? A guy who assaults and rapes went up to crystal bc he thinks women are beneath him and that all women are objects for him to use. It had nothing to do with her clothing. Pretty or sexy dressed women are not raped or assaulted more than other women. Because, for like the bazillionth time, it is not about the woman. It's not about her clothes. It's not about whether she is a flirt. It's not about her. Any other guy that walked up to her is just a guy meeting a girl. Maybe they hook up. Maybe they hit it off and live happily ever after. Maybe nothing happens. Because normal men don't have a problem figuring this out.

I don't think the message is even that. I think the message is, "these clothes make me feel pretty and stylish, so I wore them."

I absolutely do give that advice to both my boys and my girls. Not because I think it means they deserve or would be "asking for" anything, but because I want them to keep their wits about them should a predator target them. I don't think it makes one bit of difference as to whether a predator would target them, I think it *might* give them more of a fighting chance. But if the one night they have a beer and their friend leaves before they do someone takes advantage of that moment? Not my kid's fault and no they did nothing to make themselves targets. Predators hunt prey, not because of how the prey looks, but simply because they see prey.

This is just such bs. My boys have no difficulty navigating this. Neither does my husband. Men don’t throw away their drink bc it left their sight while they went to go pee and now they can’t risk drinking it for fear of being roofied. Men don’t think, “gee, I better be careful not to look too attractive bc it might send the message it’s okay to grope my nuts or insinuate I’m a tease or a ho.†This is total crap. No matter what the clothing accentuates, it implies NOTHING about whether it is available for someone else. Sure there are people who just want to an easy lay. Which has nothing to do with clothing. The clothing of the guy or the gal doesn’t have anything to do with them screwing around or their sex life in general.

Because ALL clothing invites looking. And no type of clothing invites touching or denigration of a person. Wearing a burka down main street “invites†looking bc it stands out. And yet that means nothing about the person and implies absolutely nothing to what others can do to her or how hey should treat her. This isn’t rocket science. I’ve got 7 sons, 6 teens and early 20s. Not a single one of them would see a woman as an object and they don’t presume anything wrt their interactions with women based on what women are wearing. They presume they should always be decent humans. Dress for the occasion in the appropriate manner =\= looking “too attractive†is bad because men read it as an invite to treat women like objects. No. Some men treat women like objects because some men are ego tripping aholes.

No. Objectification is about power. I have power over THINGS. Not people. When a woman is objectified by a man, it’s not about what she is wearing or how she looks. It’s about a man looking at her and thinking about possessing an object. It doesn’t matter what she wears or how she looks. Because it’s not about her. It’s about him. a man who views a woman like that doesn’t do so because of anything she does, he does it because he views himself as better than all women anyways. Thus they are things he is entitled to, he might even have convinced himself he is doing them a favor.

A woman isn’t raped bc of the dress she wore. That’s just flat out bullshirt.

Every one of those dresses are longer than my prom dress in 1990. On a very thin very long legged woman, it’s not as short as you think. Probably a 6-8 inches from her crotch by my speculation based on her hip. And there’s nothing wrong with not wearing underwear *as long as they know how to properly wear the dress* bc often the friction between underwear and dress is the main cause of the dress riding up and also the easiest way to avoid panty lines is to ditch the undies. I have more issue with some of those plunging necklines than the skirt length. I’m not a fan of the combo of mini skirt and plunging neckline.

*popcorn at hands for updates*

I understand you don't think it possible. I'm just saying, making people think they'd never do such a thing is a perv speciality.

None of that means anything. It’s absoutely still possible.

No kidding. Those people are wackados.

Oh crickey. No. I'd ask if he has told her about the PSAT during the texting and what she had responded. Then I would have walked him through how he could have asserted his need more. I'd have gone out of my way to reference her as little as possible and only positively when I had to. "So did you mention in the texting that you needed sleep for the PSAT in the morning?" Yes, but she really needed to talk... Okay, what was the talk about? Could it have waited until after your exam? Could you have stopped taking after maybe an hour? If you didn't keep talking to her, what do you think would have happened? By golly at some point in our conversation, my boy would be comprehending that it's okay to say you can't stay up any longer and go to sleep for an exam the next morning. I probably would bring up how me and his dad have to do that. Dad really wants to talk or I really want to talk to him, but he is at work, or he calls when I'm trying to get dinner on the table, and we understand that saying "I need to do __" or "I'm sorry, I want to talk more, but I'm just too tired/busy/stressed, I'll call you back ___." Does not in any way mean we don't care about each other or that we are selfish. This is not about the girl. This is about helping my son navigate a socially sticky situation bc he is young and uncertain.

Uh. What the hecken. Who does that?! I don't do secrets or play these stupid games. I'd tell her daughter and my son, this behavior is not acceptable to me. There will be no drama middle school mean girl nonsense around here. If you can't do that, then maybe it would be best to give everyone some distance while all these young people focus on their education and personal goals for the next several months.

No phone after bedtime. I don’t know otherwise bc I have a base of talks to spring from that we’ve had for years by that point. I do t really care about needy itself. Some people just are. But relationship destructive would concern me. I would focus on my son. On his needs right now. School for example. Did he tell her he had a huge exam the next morning? Did she or did she not respect that? What is a genuine ‘crisis’ and what is not. That at 16 he can’t be the sole support in any capacity for another person. Not emotionally, financially, or time. I wouldn’t forbid them just yet bc I don’t read any major danger flags. Just having a needy relationship isn’t one in itself. If that’s he kind of girl that attracts him, then it’s important he learn how to do so healthily.

No. Thyroid ranges vary pending age and other factors.

These people are just stupid and selfish. If I knew my GROWN child was in love with another GROWN person, sure I’d love to see their wedding day before I die, but that’s not really up to me. If hey haven’t even met someone appropriate yet, then there’s nothing for me to see yet. The point of seeing the wedding is seeing them in love with what I hope will be a forever long term healthy sacred relationship. Ugh. It’s not like the guy has to beget an heir pronto from a wealthy bride to save the family estate from ruin. Good grief.

Dear crazy lady,If he is supposed to be a 25 yr old man, maybe he shouldn’t be interested in jailbait if he is worried about his reputation.

Too bad. Not sad. If it upsets them in any manner other than outrage that it happened, then they need to fix their moral compass.

Heck, if she knows what yarn she wants to use, she can look up the yarn and then look up all sweater projects that areade in that yard. I love doing that when I get new yarn or don't know what to make with a yarn.

Ravelry! What kind of pattern are you wanting?