displace Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The institute for multisensory education (?) is having a comprehensive course in my area in 1-2 months. I decided to use Barton because I wanted to be comprehensive and do a thorough job, plus I felt like I could use the video support. If you had options would you take a course even if you are using Barton? I was thinking that if Barton becomes a poor fit for whatever reason at least I'd have a way to make something else work better. One of my concerns with a lot of programs were recommendations to go through training first which I didn't want to commit to for a specific program. But the multisensory institute seems generic in OG training. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/523967-orton-gillingham-training/ To get you started. :) Do you know how to do a site search? There's the regular search engine here, yes, but you can also do a google search. Type "blah blah site:welltrainedmind.com" into your browser bar and google will search those blah blah terms on the site you limited it to. Magic. And it works when the boards are down, meaning you can read the cached pages even when the boards are down, hehe. So to find that thread, I searched "training ohelizabeth site:welltrainedmind" because I knew we had had a thread on it recently. It's just a quick way to search by username, terms, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Short answer: YES! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecka Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yes, do it. You will get so many more ideas, and get to see hands-on techniques. You may be able to practice giving a lesson and get feedback from an instructor. Or ask for this if it is not included :) I would jump at it, if it was doable. If it is a stretch for you to do the scheduling and get there and pay for it, I would not do it, if just doing it would be stressful. But if it would not be stressful -- I would go for it. Then come back and tell us about it :) I think the techniques are flexible or need to be flexible -- it is not a slavish thing of going in a certain order. It is techniques. I think it will be a good deal. It is not going to be like "here is how to do Lesson 1 of our preferred curriculum." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathermomster Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I agree with Lecka. If the class is not overly taxing to your family or pocket book, I would recommend the class. You can apply these techniques across all subjects and use them with all of your children. This is a great opportunity to network with other teachers in your community and learn why certain movements are important when teaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyomarie Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I agree with the others. I wish I had taken an O-G based course on multisensory teaching when my son was young. Cost of the course, I inability to find child care for 3 straight full time weeks, and major daily commute to the course location all out it out of reach for me. Had I truly realized the benefit I would have tried to make it happen in spite of the obstacles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Ariel Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Yes, I would as I think it would give you a solid background, a foundation for any OG program to truly make sense as you are using it. But I tend to be someone who wants to know why something is done a certain way, not just follow a procedure. I have never had the chance to do this but sometimes think I may try to in the future. I would like to do tutoring when I "retire" one day, or perhaps be a resource for future grandchildren. ;) Good luck if you try it and I would love to hear how it goes for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lecka Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Really -- I think Barton and the Barton DVDs are great b/c they give an option to those of us who have no way of getting to a training, b/c of where we live, or our schedules, or price. I don't think it is something to take the place of getting real-time feedback, getting to have a conversation with an experienced tutor, getting to learn background information, etc. I think this kind of program is ideal, though. It is totally out of reach for me, for example, just because of where I live. But because there are some books, youtube videos, online resources, Barton, etc, it is not out-of-reach for me to use OG techniques with my child. But I don't think it is the first choice, just because it is possible. You also will be finding out more information that will let you use Barton even more effectively and efficiently, I bet. I bet it can help you have less of a learning curve as a teacher/tutor. But I like Barton b/c I think she has a heart for those of us who just cannot get to a training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
displace Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/523967-orton-gillingham-training/ To get you started. :) Do you know how to do a site search? There's the regular search engine here, yes, but you can also do a google search. Type "blah blah site:welltrainedmind.com" into your browser bar and google will search those blah blah terms on the site you limited it to. Magic. And it works when the boards are down, meaning you can read the cached pages even when the boards are down, hehe. So to find that thread, I searched "training ohelizabeth site:welltrainedmind" because I knew we had had a thread on it recently. It's just a quick way to search by username, terms, whatever. What? Are you saying I'm not the first person to consider doing this? That's crazy talk! :lol: I totally didn't even think to search if someone had asked this before. Oops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
displace Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 Thanks for all the replies. It looks pretty much like a good decision if we can do it. I thought it would just be overkill but if it would really be helpful I will strongly consider it. I guess that whole week would be no school, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyKC Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 The institute for multisensory education (?) is having a comprehensive course in my area in 1-2 months. I decided to use Barton because I wanted to be comprehensive and do a thorough job, plus I felt like I could use the video support. If you had options would you take a course even if you are using Barton? I was thinking that if Barton becomes a poor fit for whatever reason at least I'd have a way to make something else work better. One of my concerns with a lot of programs were recommendations to go through training first which I didn't want to commit to for a specific program. But the multisensory institute seems generic in OG training. Thoughts? The Orton-Gillingham training I completed really helped me UNDERSTAND how to teach my son better so he could learn more effectively. Since OG is a methodology for teaching, you can apply the teaching methods to other subjects too. It can help in any area where facts need to be remembers. If you have the time, the money, and a course nearby, I do think the courses are well worth the time of any mom whose child has significant LDs (not just dyslexia) ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 What? Are you saying I'm not the first person to consider doing this? That's crazy talk! :lol: I totally didn't even think to search if someone had asked this before. Oops! Wanna know how I spent my Friday nights for years? I'd come to the board and do a google search or board search and read EVERYTHING a poster ever wrote on one section of the boards. Or I'd read everything so and so ever wrote on writing or math or whatever topic. It was really fascinating, because you'd see, not only what they did, but how it TURNED OUT. And I started making connections about what people who were like me or in a similar position to me or whatever might also have done that I hadn't considered. LOTS of time reading the boards and old posts. I guess you could say I lead a boring life. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagine.more Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Yes, do it. You will get so many more ideas, and get to see hands-on techniques. You may be able to practice giving a lesson and get feedback from an instructor. Or ask for this if it is not included :) I would jump at it, if it was doable. If it is a stretch for you to do the scheduling and get there and pay for it, I would not do it, if just doing it would be stressful. But if it would not be stressful -- I would go for it. Then come back and tell us about it :) I think the techniques are flexible or need to be flexible -- it is not a slavish thing of going in a certain order. It is techniques. I think it will be a good deal. It is not going to be like "here is how to do Lesson 1 of our preferred curriculum." I completely agree with all of this. I had the opportunity to get trained through the generosity of a friend and a nearby training center and it was really invaluable in my own confidence and my ability to truly understand and remediate individual tricky spots. I still choose Barton over the method that the woman who trained me uses because I think Barton is better quite frankly. But now I understand the 'why' of all the Barton methods, which helps me be better at 'how' I do them and it helps me to stray and review things easily when needed. Also, if Barton is ever not a possibility I know I can keep my daughter going in O-G with hodgepodging things together because I have the underlying knowledge base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmomshutterbug Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Oh Yay! Just what I needed to see this morning. I have a Barton related question: Just started using Barton level 1 with my son....she says, in her video to homeschoolers that is on her site, that Barton is complete for language arts up to 9th grade. I'm wondering, if that has been your experience, or do you add anything else, like additional spelling, or grammar instruction, etc. Additionally, how "Spiral" is Barton, related to the spelling instruction? My son's struggles w/ dyslexia relate more to spelling than just reading, so Barton will either need to be really spiral, or I can foresee we will need to be supplementing at some point. A tutor at our local dyslexia center said they often do additional spelling instruction beyond OG methods, namely, spelling and vocab through morphograms. Does Barton include this kind of teaching in later levels? Thanks for any input from those of you former users or farther down the road in the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Oh Yay! Just what I needed to see this morning. I have a Barton related question: Just started using Barton level 1 with my son....she says, in her video to homeschoolers that is on her site, that Barton is complete for language arts up to 9th grade. I'm wondering, if that has been your experience, or do you add anything else, like additional spelling, or grammar instruction, etc. Additionally, how "Spiral" is Barton, related to the spelling instruction? My son's struggles w/ dyslexia relate more to spelling than just reading, so Barton will either need to be really spiral, or I can foresee we will need to be supplementing at some point. A tutor at our local dyslexia center said they often do additional spelling instruction beyond OG methods, namely, spelling and vocab through morphograms. Does Barton include this kind of teaching in later levels? Thanks for any input from those of you former users or farther down the road in the program. Barton is very spiral in a way. Not the way most spiral programs are, I guess, but material is reviewed over and over. And spelling is very much reviewed and carefully integrated into the reading. In fact, reading/grammar/spelling/writing are all integrated and are all different sides of the same coin. There really isn't a need to add in anything else in the early levels especially, IMHO. I used to fret over that but now that we are in Level 4 I see why it is recommended NOT to add in anything else in the early levels. FWIW, so far I have loved how spelling is dealt with in Barton. The main thing is NOT to just have the child rote memorize rules and move on. Move through lessons at the child's pace and make certain they have internalized the material before moving to the next lesson. Some lessons will go quickly but others may even need repeating. Take the time to repeat lessons when necessary. There are many great suggestions in the TM for how to do that and how to incorporate great review and games into the process. Use those suggestions. And don't take extended breaks between lessons or even levels. You may end up having to repeat an entire level if you do. I agree with Susan Barton, I would not add additional grammar or spelling instruction through Level 4. I would wait. After Level 4, if you really feel it is needed, then Barton encourages you to include a separate writing program. She recommends IEW but you can pick something else. If you feel that additional grammar is necessary at that point then add that in as well. But I wouldn't before completing Level 4. It may slow down or confuse your child. Instead I would do a lot of read alouds, and listening to books, etc. to build vocabulary/grammar/concepts. And get the Spelling City card games for the levels when you get above level 1. Awesome way to get in a quick review of spelling rules. Best wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagine.more Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Like OneStepAtATime I worried a lot in levels 1-2 that it wasn't *enough* for language arts. I did make my daughter do a couple silly literary analysis stuff based on read aloud picture books just to keep the superintendent off my back (I live in PA with draconian homeschool laws). But now that we're in Level 3 and now that I've discovered all the extra tutor resources on the Barton websites I can say that Barton is definitely enough for language arts with the caveat that you read aloud 30 minutes daily. There is reading work, spelling (online she has 2 spelling tests per lesson so you can do weekly spelling tests which is a good way to show progress in a portfolio), and grammar (starting in level 2 kids identify the who, did what, and where phrases of sentences which is remedial grammar). When we do read-aloud work the next 1.5 years we'll be doing notebooking with the read-alouds. So we'll study vocabulary, draw pictures, do oral narrations, etc. Basically a full literature course but with no reading by DD and very little actual writing on her part. With obvious Reading, Spelling, Grammar and Literature happening I can't see anyone questioning DD's progress or the completeness of our Language Arts curriculum. I think for us I'm going to keep going with just Barton through next year (7th grade for DD, should complete Level 6 at the end of the year) and then I'll slow down on Barton (maybe 2-3 times a week) in 8th grade and add in a grammar program for deaf/hoh students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmomshutterbug Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thanks for the input OneStepAtATime. Yes, that's what I was referring to, after level 4. I had wondered if IEW is what she would recommend b/c she doesn't say which one, just says she will mention it when you get there. What are the Spelling City card games? Is that something you order from Barton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Thanks for the input OneStepAtATime. Yes, that's what I was referring to, after level 4. I had wondered if IEW is what she would recommend b/c she doesn't say which one, just says she will mention it when you get there. What are the Spelling City card games? Is that something you order from Barton? Goofed up. It is Spelling Success! Sorry! Ugh! http://www.spellingsuccess.com/ The card games have been great for reinforcement, livening up a lesson, or just taking a break from lessons for a day or so. The kids can play them with each other or with me. As for IEW, yes, Susan does recommend it somewhere (can't remember where). We have it but because we stopped Barton lessons for a significant period over the summer (life got in the way) we had to go back and review Level 3 before starting Level 4 again this past week (we had made it over half way through Level 4 before summer started). Therefore, I am holding off on starting IEW for a bit. She recommends it because it is very systematic like Barton but I think it might not be the best option for more creative writers. DS will probably do well with it. He is creative but really needs a very systematic way of approaching things. DD is more free flowing. I don't know how she will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneStepAtATime Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 By accident, while looking for something else, I came across this. No idea how good the program is but it appears there is a way to do the training through a virtual classroom instead of having to actually go there....thought I would post in case someone was interested, given the topic of this thread... http://www.dyslexiatraininginstitute.org/certification.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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