umsami Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 So I was doing a post on this, and decided to do some research. It is very sobering to learn that the population of Jews in the world was 16.7 million in 1939. It was 11 million in 1945. It is still only 14.6 million today. That means, the Jewish population still has not recovered from the effects of the Holocaust. Today. 75 years later. 😞 https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-of-the-world I'll also add that "never again" were words only. We've seen Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia, Indonesia, the Rohingya, and the Uyghurs since then. I never knew about the Soviets losing 13.3% of their population...or what the Soviets did to the Ukranians. This is sobering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said: I know this is about the Holocaust. But look at Aung San Suu. How on earth can a woman with her history be complicit in the genocide of Rohingyas today? I can not bend my mind around her. I know. In some ways, it reminds me of the Milgram experiment--although she's reportedly the one in power, but perhaps realty is it's the military. Perhaps te transition from military to democracy hasn't really happened in Myanmar. I remember when she won the Nobel Prize.... I remember all the good press about her. But if you've heard the stereotypes about a group for your entire life... you're not completely immune. Edited January 27, 2020 by umsami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Way too many people refuse to believe the Holocaust was real. I read an article just yesterday that there has been an uptick in neo-Nazis visiting Holocaust sites in order to be combative with guides and write denial stuff in the visitor books. And then there's the rise in anti-Semitism. Synagogues in some places in Europe have stopped posting schedules publicly. The mass shooting in Pittsburgh was very recent. Overall hate crime violence against Jews is up in the US. White supremacy is on the rise. But then also, when you try to compare events to the Holocaust - whether it's patterns in how governments treat people, the creation of literal concentration camps, or the mass murder of groups... then you now get doublespeak accused of undermining the Holocaust. Like, unless it's the 1940's in Germany with the actual Nazi party led by Hitler, it can't really be a lead up to genocide or even an actual genocide because only the Holocaust is "allowed" to own that in some people's minds. We definitely have learned nothing. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umsami Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 12:07 PM, Dotwithaperiod said: I know this is about the Holocaust. But look at Aung San Suu. How on earth can a woman with her history be complicit in the genocide of Rohingyas today? I can not bend my mind around her. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51183521?fbclid=IwAR0gLkgmZC86JdSO89yrXHRd3xZQxJGpopzqke5RW7vjOchzpqbvWYJlz0g This is a good article, "Rohingya crisis: The Gambian who took Aung San Suu Kyi to the world court" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 11:28 AM, Farrar said: Way too many people refuse to believe the Holocaust was real. My husband who drives for Uber says that none of his Z generation passengers have even heard of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slache Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/12/two-thirds-of-millennials-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is-according-to-study-of-fading-holocaust-knowledge/%3foutputType=amp As a millennial (born in '85) I find this very strange. We had WWII vets in our schools and I had several WWII obsessed teachers. I can't really fathom this in my age group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-rap Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/04/12/two-thirds-of-millennials-dont-know-what-auschwitz-is-according-to-study-of-fading-holocaust-knowledge/%3foutputType=amp Wow, that's truly hard to believe. My kids were born from 89 to 95, and I can't imagine any of their peers not knowing what the Holocaust is. Schools here really emphasized remembering the Holocaust, bringing in WWII vets, reading books on it... That just seems bizarre! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-rap Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 1/27/2020 at 12:53 PM, umsami said: I never knew about the Soviets losing 13.3% of their population...or what the Soviets did to the Ukranians. This is sobering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll If you're interested in reading a book that shows a slice of this, the book Babi Yar gives a horrific view of what went on in Kiev (in the Soviet Ukraine): https://www.amazon.com/Babi-Yar-Document-Complete-Uncensored/dp/0374528179/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=babi+yar&qid=1580264598&s=books&sr=1-1 https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/kiev-and-babi-yar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmama Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, J-rap said: Wow, that's truly hard to believe. My kids were born from 89 to 95, and I can't imagine any of their peers not knowing what the Holocaust is. Schools here really emphasized remembering the Holocaust, bringing in WWII vets, reading books on it... That just seems bizarre! I believe it. My adult dc are younger than yours, but both are appalled at the lack of historical knowledge among their traditionally-schooled peers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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