Moxie Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Is there any type of NFP that does a better job predicting ovulation before it happens?? I'm looking at Marquette, which uses OPK's, and it says right on the site that they don't give enough advance warning to be effective. That is just one notch above useless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Another Jen Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 We have been using the Marquette model for years. During some time periods where it was important to us not to conceive we bought ovulation kits. Expensive, but better than me being bedridden throwing up for 9 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 Yes, I was just about to order some off Amazon (the price is not too bad there). But, those only give 2-5 days of warning that ovulation is about to happen, right? And sperm can live longer then that, right? So, what am I missing? Several methods show when ovulation is complete, I'm looking for more warning that it is coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 http://lifeissues.net/writers/feh/feh_33methodused.html This study showed that daily home urine testing only detected 60% of the LH surges if done in the morning or 70% if done in the afternoon. I don't know if the tests you are talking about work by measuring LH or not. The article said the LH surge precedes ovulation by 12-48 hours, so any testing measuring for LH seems like it would be aimed at getting pregnant, not avoiding pregnancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I'm sure you already know this, but I'd like to suggest that after teA, you go in the bathroom and "bear down" to eliminate as much semen as possible. I don't know how much it reduces the chance of pregnancy, but it can't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alef Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 http://lifeissues.net/writers/feh/feh_33methodused.html This study showed that daily home urine testing only detected 60% of the LH surges if done in the morning or 70% if done in the afternoon. I don't know if the tests you are talking about work by measuring LH or not. The article said the LH surge precedes ovulation by 12-48 hours, so any testing measuring for LH seems like it would be aimed at getting pregnant, not avoiding pregnancy. Yes, I have used LH tests when TTC and found them helpful. The benefit I could see in terms of NFP would be in helping you chart your cycle over a period of months to get a better idea for when you ovulate. I am not aware if any method that can predict ovulation more than five days out. On the plus side, the most recent studies I have seen indicate that fertilization is extremely unlikely if intercourse occurs more than 24 hours after ovulation, seems the fertile window is approximately five days before to the day of ovulation, which is shorter than what I was taught years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indigomama Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I don't follow any great method. We used temping for years to get pregnant with my first. But now, I just want to sleep until the last possible minute. I don't have the patience/time to lay in bed and take my temp. Plus, I still get interrupted morning sleep and don't know how reliable it would be. What is working now, has taken years of me just getting to know my body. I am very good at predicting ovulation based on my body symptoms. Perhaps, you could narrow down on how your body gears up to ovulate and take precautions when you think it's getting time. Sorry, not real helpful, I know. But it, and a second method (we are not Catholic) have worked for the last 2 1/2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpyTheFrog Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3322540 This study showed that cervical mucus had a better correlation with ovulation than BBT. I never relied on NFP because my cycles returned at 7 and 10 weeks postpartum; the 10 week return was despite nursing every 1.5 hours day and night! For the few years that I tracked my fertility signs, I found that I only had 1-2 dry days right after my period. Then I had mucus on and off until the next period. Using NFP would've limited me to only 1-2 days of teA per month. http://lifeissues.net/writers/feh/feh_22ovulon.html This article mentions a monitor that supposedly can predict ovulation 5-7 days beforehand. Later in the article though, it says it's tested effectiveness was about the same as the other methods. That sounds like it isn't good enough for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Another Jen Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 It's not full proof. Nothing is. It has worked mostly for 7 years. I did have a miscarriage last year. I can pretty much tell the signs of ovulation and just abstain for the 10 iffy days. I do sympathize with you as I look at the fact that I will be tracking for another decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMamaBird Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 My last few cycles I've been tracking my temps with Fertility Friend . com For the longest time I was really icked out by internally checking cervical mucus or cervical position, but after reading a lot of the articles and tutorials FF has I've discovered that it's actually very easy and gives me LOTS of information about where I am in my cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Strawberry Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I use cervical mucus alone. It has worked very well for us for a long time. Just be aware that decongestants and chlorine can interfere with cm. Check out the Creighton or billings methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 I use cervical mucus alone. It has worked very well for us for a long time. Just be aware that decongestants and chlorine can interfere with cm. Check out the Creighton or billings methods. How is your DH involved with mucus-only NFP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelwydd Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 How is your DH involved with mucus-only NFP?CM here, too, but we also use barrier methods, and utilize variations of sex that the CC condemns. So, not really helpful I know. Sometimes, I fantasize about developing a method of self awareness to the point of being able to consciously control ovulation. Like combining Zen and the Force to direct the egg to either mature or to simply self destruct. I'd spend the rest of my life pissing off all kinds of religious and political groups by sharing that little gem. Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert Strawberry Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 How is your DH involved with mucus-only NFP? I tell him when I am fertile and he makes sure he finishes safely. He has good self control and is highly motivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Is there any type of NFP that does a better job predicting ovulation before it happens?? I'm looking at Marquette, which uses OPK's, and it says right on the site that they don't give enough advance warning to be effective. That is just one notch above useless! FAM Fertility Awareness Method was my goto. Granted, yes, I have a large family. You can blame part of that on hormones (aka, you WANT to more when you are fertile, so it matters how much you CHOOSE to stick to it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 CM here, too, but we also use barrier methods, and utilize variations of sex that the CC condemns. So, not really helpful I know. Sometimes, I fantasize about developing a method of self awareness to the point of being able to consciously control ovulation. Like combining Zen and the Force to direct the egg to either mature or to simply self destruct. I'd spend the rest of my life pissing off all kinds of religious and political groups by sharing that little gem. Ha! If men had to be pregnant, give birth, nurse, etc., that little trick would exist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustEm Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I suggested this in another one of your post a while back and can't remember the name of it (I'll try to find it.) But it involves being under the care of a doctor in order to determine when you are fertile. Blood tests are involved. The dr interprets everything. Women who have trouble getting pregnant use it to help them pinpoint when they are fertile so they can try to conceive but its a valid form of NFP that is in communion with the teachings of the Catholic Church and can be used to determine fertility in order to avoid pregnancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxie Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 I suggested this in another one of your post a while back and can't remember the name of it (I'll try to find it.) But it involves being under the care of a doctor in order to determine when you are fertile. Blood tests are involved. The dr interprets everything. Women who have trouble getting pregnant use it to help them pinpoint when they are fertile so they can try to conceive but its a valid form of NFP that is in communion with the teachings of the Catholic Church and can be used to determine fertility in order to avoid pregnancy. While I appreciate the thought (I really do!) I can't imagine finding the time and money to do this for the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustEm Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 While I appreciate the thought (I really do!) I can't imagine finding the time and money to do this for the next 10 years. Well that makes sense. You've mentioned that you have a very hard time pin pointing when your fertile and that is why you struggle so much with NFP. it might be a good idea to talk to a dr and see if monitoring it that way for a few months can weed out a pattern to your fertility and help you find a way to track it on your own. I only suggest that because I have a close friend who had difficulty conceiving go that route and eventually learned her cycle (which was very erratic) to the point of not needing to be monitored by a dr and could determine her fertility on her own. Hope you find some solution that works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucyStoner Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Are you ovulating regularly? If ovulation is irregular, FAM to prevent is much trickier. I am fortunate in that I know exactly when I am ovulating just from mittelschmertz (pain with ovulation.) I chart on an iphone app. We only have unprotected sex 36 hours or so after I ovulate until my period starts. Because we use FAM for hormonal and efficacy reasons and not religious choice, we have more flexibility for the time from my period through ovulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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