Agh! This is why I consider just doing mfw or hod. It's all there. No hunting around or wondering. Sigh. I haven't heard of all through the ages... Is that a book? Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

So Phoenix, are you saying you don't find BP easy to use? Just curious why you aren't using it, as its one I'm considering for my 3rd and 2nd graders next year. Just not sure if it'll be too much though, for their age, and if it's not just simpler to just use sotw and be done with it [emoji2] Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

Glad to hear you like BP:) I'm considering switching to it from MFW. is it at all independent in upper grades? Is it very engaging? My kids like a mix of reading books and worksheets, are there any student sheets per week?

Have you considered my fathers world? It's been very open and go for me. Heart of Dakota? Biblioplan is open and go for history/geography. Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

I've heard R&S writing isn't that great...? If it were me I would add WWE. but it will be interesting to see others opinions. [emoji4] Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

If I use FLL/WWE, is there a way to use a supplement as some independent practice along side it? My kids like some workbook stuff. Would doing easy grammar be ok? I've heard EG is better as a supp anyway. It might not line up though... Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

No, that makes sense to me, and they are my concerns too. I think that's why people like ELTL. I've also looked at cottage press LA. Idk. LA is my weakness right now[emoji21] Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

Oh this worries me! [emoji33] I'm considering WWE and FLL next year. I keep thinking I'll regret it but it seems so thorough and short lessons. I'm thinking of adding easy grammar into it for some independent work too. What didn't you like about it (FLL and wwe)? I can't decide about ELTL. It is feeling too parent intensive for me for some reason. Reading the books feels too much. Id prefer open and go. But I can't make up my mind. I keep going back and forth...

Ok, that makes sense. I think it sounds too parent intensive for us. I'd feel like I need to be reading everyone's books and that's just too stressful! It sounds great though. Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

That's great! How do you manage reading three different books? I would've have time to read all those to be up on what they're doing. That would pose a problem, wouldn't it? Are the parents supposed to read along so they know how to teach the lesson? Or is it not a problem for the child to be reading independently without the parent doing so? Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

Curious, how are you finding ELTL to be, is it mostly teacher dependent or is it 50/50 teacher/student regarding some independence?

I totally agree, when I've looked at SS, I failed to see the patterns sometimes...

Maybe Rod and staff? Spellwell is also good and it's based on rules too. Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

Following. I'm considering hod. Do you all feel hod gets stronger after Beyond? Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

This is sorta be right now, too. I've used LOE for both my boys, it worked for one but the other is also having fluency issues. I think it depends on the child. I've been considering having him use RLTL but I'm not sure what level he'd need, since he's finishing up LOE C right now. He does not have all the phonograms memorized though, but most. Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

We've used LOE but no formal grammar. Can CLE LA be started in 3rd grade or is it confusing to jump in at this point? I've read that they introduce diagramming in grade 2... We've not diagrammed before, will this be a problem or is it easy to get up to speed? Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

Following. This is my wonder too... Because I've considered it for my 3rd grader but I have heard it can take a long time to do... Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

A jot or tittle [emoji23] ah, I needed that giggle! I'm not sure about abeka all in one for la. I'd need to look at it... I was mainly thinking of using only the grammar bit. Is that able to be done? We'd use it next year, so 3rd grade and 2nd. I am considering using the reading part too, though... I know very little about abeka! Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

So do you use easy grams or daily grams or daily grammar practice?? Haha. There's so many now I'm confused [emoji23] Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

I'm right there with you on this. Trust me. It's on my list, too[emoji4]

This is fabulous! Thank you! So, you do still use WWE? You like it? I think you are hitting the nail in the head... I feel the same way... Too much discussion and not enough practice. My kids seem to do best with a mix of auditory and visual materials. I've not heard of daily grammar, so you have to write it all out for the child? There is no workbook? Mama kelly: ELTL is English lessons through literature [emoji4]

This is fabulous! Thank you! So, you do still use WWE? You like it? I think you are hitting the nail in the head... I feel the same way... Too much discussion and not enough practice. My kids seem to do best with a mix of auditory and visual materials. I've not heard of daily grammar, so you have to write it all out for the child? There is no workbook? Mama kelly: ELTL is English lessons through literature [emoji4]

I'm not sure yet, I haven't looked much into RLTL... LOE D is ok. I might finish it as well. I just haven't been as in love with D. Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

I adore LOE! I'm a speech path and I just loved the way they taught. But... I agree. I've gone through foundations twice now (almost) and beginning a 3rd and yeah... It gets old and I find myself skipping parts. But that's ok:) I love it and know how to teach it so I'll stick with foundations. I do NOT however think I'll do essentials again. Not unless I feel it necessary. Essentials is really just foundations. Literally. It goes faster but you can start your 5 yr old ok essentials. And yeah, I have 1st edition but I don't think 2nd Ed would change my mind [emoji6] Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)

I'm considering RLTL instead... But it's something I'd start probably after LOE Foundations C... Homeschooling mama of 4... Preschool 3, preschool 4, 1st, and 2nd:)