so what about murderers and such?? they shouldn't be "drug" off to jail when they commit their crimes?? not trying to be snotty, I am wondering. :confused:

I think thats awesome too!! :001_smile:

I think I agree with this... my concern is the number of children labeled with a learning disability when at times the child just had no structure or discipline to begin with. Not to say there arent children with learning disabilities, I just think that children are too easily labeled that sometimes when some kids just need more attention and structure than others.

I dunno- I spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for 19 years so far with my kids and they still need to be drugged every now and then.

:iagree:Everyone has an opinion and a right to it! I totally agree with that and glad you said it.:001_smile:

well.... I thought I would add that my brother and I are 9 years apart. My mother parented me in ways that some- okay alot might view as abusive. She was extremely strict and physical when it came to discipline and drugged me plenty but not to church- LOL. I ended up going to church with relatives or friends. My brother was never disciplined at all beyond being gently talked to. Who had the drug problem? Not me, he did. Who was completely disrespectful of my mother and other adults? Not me, he was (and this did not change until about 5 years ago). Who graduated from high school? Not him, I did. Who's been in jail? Not me, him. I could go on and on. And when I look back, was it scary to be a kid sometimes for me? Sure. BUT I am glad that she raised me with discipline and taught me respect. I am SO glad I dont struggle with drug addiction and the other problems my brother has had. He is doing great now, but he had to go through so much due to the lack of discipline in his life. And also, the birth of his first of 2 daughters is what finally woke him up. I am so proud of the way he has turned himself around! The only thing that I do wish is that she would have taught me a different way of parenting. Because sadly, we learn how to parent from our parents. So, it has been a struggle at times with my own parenting. However, I am learning that parenting IS a struggle a lot of the time anyways. I think essays like the one posted by the OP just remind us that times we are living in are different. People who do discipline their children have to be worried that the neighbor or family member wont agree with their method- no matter what it is because if they dont agree, you WILL be investigated by your local and friendly CPS agency. I hardly think soap in the mouth for swearing is borderline abusive- especially when you have tried EVERYTHING else. BTDT When my now dd16 was almost 3, her father and I were going through a bitter divorce. We had shared custody of our 2 children. My dd would come home from visiting her father saying the f word and the like. Now, I did my best to try and help her to not talk like that but thats all she heard all weekend long. I finally tearfully brushed her teeth with a tiny drop of soap on her toothbrush for about 10-20 seconds while telling her it is nasty to talk like that and that we had to clean her mouth. And she stopped after the first or second time of washing. Is is something I am proud of? Not really but I had no other way to turn at that time. People said to ignore her and she would stop. Well, I tried that and she didnt. The more I ignored her the louder she would yell these profanities, at meetings, up and down the aisles at walmart. Her father called me and said that dd told him I washed her mouth with soap. I said well, I had to help her stop saying that crap and I had tried everything else. He could hardly throw a fit since he is where she got the language from anyhow. So anyways.... Im sure there is all kinds of research saying that the drugged type of discipline actually creates criminals, but Im sure there is research to the contrary as well. In my personal experience, discipline helped not hindered. I just think that the essay isnt condoning child abuse, as much as it is supportive of discipline.

that is awesome!!! thanks!

Thanks for the update Wendylee. It has to be the hardest thing but I agree with a PP that said you have done the best parenting thing you can for him and that is recognizing when you needed help in helping him. :grouphug: You're a great mom! Dont forget it!! And absolutely dont let anyone tell you any different! :grouphug:

I know what you mean... I just am not a patient person and once I see part 1, well, lets just say its gonna be a loooonnnggg year!! I think of it too that I sat in the theater ans watched Titanic 2 or 3 times and that movie is 3 hours long I think? I would have been willing to sit through 3- 3.5 hours for it. But yeah, I know what you mean. :001_smile:

Yeah, unfortunately they broke it into 2 parts. =( And whats worse is that the last I heard, the second part wasnt being released until Nov. 2012 even though they have already finished filming the whole movie!! The HP fans had it better- at least I thought they only had to wait 6 months or so when they broke the last one into 2 parts?? I hope Summit changes their minds and releases part 2 of Breaking Dawn before Nov 2012.

I have trouble choosing my fav out of the series but it is definitely either #1 or #2!! Are you re-reading BD yet? I started it thinking that it would take me a while to read through it but I am almost done again after only a week or so.... I guess I will just have to restart!! :001_smile: Glad to know I am not alone!!!

Hi everyone- I was just wondering if there is anyone else out there more excited than ever for Breaking Dawn to hit the screens in November now that the first trailer came out last night on the MTV movie awards?? I really wasnt paying much attention to it but when I saw the trailer last night, I am now totally excited!!! Does anyone have anything planned? I feel a wee bit immature for being excited about it, but I. cant. help. it!!! :lol::lol:

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug: Im so glad you got some help. :grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

:iagree: I have to agree with Impish on this one. Boredom is no excuse and I am surprised it was used for setting fires or any other life threatening or destructive behaviors- especially since it was a reaction on his part to being caught in other personally destructive behaviors. Just my opinion though.

:grouphug: Try jobcorp. I definitely agree with having him evaluated though. It could provide relief for up to 72 hours or more from what I have been told. One of our boys ran a way last month, and thankfully we had a very supportive sheriff deputy help us find him and has given him a good talking to and he has been a bit better since. I really feel for you though and I know how it feels to be scared in your own home. We have found ourselves in a bit of horrible situations with our 5 adopted RAD children. The fire part has me really concerned because that is a threat to your whole family, not just himself, as a PP already said. The s** and smoking pot part are sadly what some people think is normal for teenagers in this day and age. We believe differently too. But seriously, I would try jobcorp. Check it out online. They can go in as early as 16. He can receive counseling there as well as get his GED and job training. One of my disruptive adopted kids is there right now. We have enjoyed a new level of peace in our home ever since. It may take a few months to get him in. They do a background check on everyone before they go in, but it will be worth the wait. We only had to wait about 45 days. I know that could be a long 45 days- but if there is no other option, thats what I would do. Heck, its what I have done and what I will continue to do to achieve peace in my home. So sorry you are going through this. :grouphug:

oh- Im sorry for the misunderstanding..... but thrilled that she doesnt live with you!! *happy dance* It makes it all the more easier to IGNORE her!! I would just tell her that if she cant be happy about it then she will force you guys to not have contact until well after the baby comes because you dont deserve the added stress. I dont get what she expects with having adopted your husband. Like I said earlier, we adopted 5 children and we dont expect them to take care of us or put us before their families- when they grow up and have them. :) That is just crazy crazy! So- woohoo to you!!!! And if you dont have caller ID, I would definitely get it so you are in control of when you talk to her. Glad your dh is supportive of when it comes to her. That helps. :grouphug:

:grouphug::grouphug: CONGRATULATIONS!! My mil was less than pleased when my dh and I were expecting his 2 only biological children- I say that because we have 9 children all together!! I had 2 from a previous marriage, then we adopted 5, and then we had 2 together. :001_smile: Alls I can say is try to ignore her and be happy. You have a right to be happy about this. Having a baby is a joyous and exciting time. It might be harder because she lives with you. My concern would be that she spread her attitude to the children somehow. :grouphug::grouphug:

We are very lucky to have found a nice home on 10 acres to rent with a wonderful barn on the property as well. We hope to add animals soon. In the past we had 10 acres in Vermont and then 3 acres in southern CA. When we first moved to the state we are in now, we lived on 1 acre in a subdivision and it drove us BONKERS!! LOL We are thrilled now with what we have. :001_smile:

:iagree: and :grouphug: I used to hate it when the in laws would visit. I am so grateful that I can say used to. :grouphug:

:iagree:I have to agree with you there.

Thanks for this link..... I have almost all of those symptoms.

wow- I hope so!!! LOL

I voted other. If you drank tea unsweetened, then it may be healthier. However, if you drink tea the way I do it most certainly is not healthier. LOL :lol:

Thanks! :001_smile:

Thanks!!;)