nrg Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 My son's Latin teacher is trimming her schedule by eliminating the upper levels, so he loses his class in the fall. He will have finished book #4 of Cambridge Latin and done some Bible and Vergil translations. I know nothing about Latin, and nothing is available here locally. Has anyone used an online class for Latin 3? Have you experienced Patter's School, Regina Coeli, or any other? Our teacher recommended Wheelock's as a review and basis for translations. Please advise. -Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphabetika Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I believe that Lukieon Project teaches Wheelock's classes online. They are such nice people, I suspect if you emailed them, they could help you. Just go to Lukeion.org. HTH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaJuana Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 ...different options of pace through the sequence. The introductory courses all use Wheelock's, and the student has a choice of doing the entire book in a single year (Accelerated Latin I-II) or taking two years to complete all of Wheelock's (Latin I and Latin II). Latin III is a course in translation practice after the student has completed all of the basic grammar and vocabulary in Wheelock's. Dr. Bruce McMenomy teaches the upper levels of Latin including not only Latin IV - Vergil (which prepares students to take the AP Latin Vergil test) and Latin V - Latin Literature (which prepares students to take the AP Latin Literature exam...until the College Board does away with the test), but he also teaches Medieval Latin. I know that many people prefer Henle for its limited vocabulary and its high-school level instruction, but like your son's Latin teacher, I much prefer Wheelock's. With its comprehensive Latin grammar instruction, its large vocabulary, and the wide variety of classical authors translated in the course, it prepares the student well for reading all kinds of Latin texts in college. The diligent student is well able to manage Wheelock's with good instruction, even if he or she isn't naturally language-oriented. My 13yo is half-way through Wheelock's now; the SO pace taken is just right for him. I have been very happy with the Latin instruction that my children have received through Scholars Online. They have all won gold or silver medals on the NLE while studying Latin with SO (my 13yo just received his Silver Medal this week!), and/or have earned 5's on the AP Vergil test after taking the SO Latin IV course. That 5 on the AP Vergil exam has been a great benefit in college, allowing the bypassing of two years of college language classes to move directly into reading classical authors in upper division courses. The teachers that my children have had in the courses really care about the students, and they know their Latin really well. I only wish that I had been able to start all of my children in the sequence in 7th or 8th grade instead of waiting until 9th grade so that they would have had the opportunity to take the full sequence. If your son has finished Cambridge Latin III, you might want him to take a placement test to see if he needs to do Wheelock's or not. I am less familiar with Cambridge than other programs. Since his teacher recommended Wheelock's, he might find that the Accelerated Latin I-II is a good course for him, allowing him to make it through Wheelock's at a rapid pace, yet insuring that he has all the foundational grammar for success in translating at the next level. However, his grammar may be solid enough that he would succeed at the Latin III translation course, too. If it would have been up to me, I'm afraid that my children would have never made it as far as they have in Latin. I've been so glad they have had the option of studying with folks who know and love Latin more than I can even hope to do. http://scholarsonline.org/Info/latin.php I hope you find just the right course to help your son continue his Latin studies at the right level for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 I emailed Scholars Online on Saturday, after peeking at their website. I have not yet received a response. My son is now wondering if the two courses, both the Accelerated 1-2 and the 3 could be taken simultaneously. He is nervous about switching programs while moving to a faster-paced course and thinks that the review would be helpful. Hmm...I think I will give them a call. Thank you for your time and trouble. -Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg Posted April 9, 2008 Author Share Posted April 9, 2008 Thank you! Their website is intriguing! have your children ever taken any of their history classes? Their Latin classes move quickly and look rather labor consuming (not a bad thing). My son has been taking a Great Books class and LOVES it and would like some more intensive Greek history in class format. He has been listening to the Ancient Greece Teaching Company lectures in the car (we love these, too!). Thank you for your reply. -Nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moira in MA Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I had taught my dd at home through Latin II (Henle) then switched her to Latin III at Scholars Online. She found herself to be well prepared grammatically with somewhat less voacabulary than those students who had learned basic Latin grammar using Wheelocks (this was to be expected -- Father Henle emphasized grammar over voacabulary). She has done extremely well in Latin III. Please don't think that there is no grammar review/instruction in Latin III, the learning process is ongoing. If your son has worked through Cambridge 4 he should be ready to tackle real Latin. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine State Sue Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I thought I saw that Cambridge offered online courses: http://www.cambridgescp.com/page.php?p=il^top^home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Storm Bay Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 , and the student has a choice of doing the entire book in a single year (Accelerated Latin I-II) or taking two years to complete all of Wheelock's (Latin I and Latin II). Latin III is a course in translation practice after the student has completed all of the basic grammar and vocabulary in Wheelock's. . I only wish that I had been able to start all of my children in the sequence in 7th or 8th grade instead of waiting until 9th grade so that they would have had the opportunity to take the full sequence. Did your children have any other Latin before this? Did they do the accellerated one in gr. 9 (I may have missed this?) How reasonable is it to do the Latin I/II with little Latin (dd is in Latin Primer II right now.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaJuana Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Karin, We were a Matin Latin family once that curriculum came out. My oldest had used Artes Latinae because that was all that was available for the non-Latin-trained teacher to teach at the elementary level back in the early 1990s. Matin Latin was a much better choice once it became available, but probably the biggest advantage my children had when beginning online Latin studies was an extensive knowledge of English grammar. That made Wheelock's much easier for them. Accelerated Latin wasn't available when my older children took their first online Latin courses, and when my youngest started his Latin studies in middle school, I *knew* he wasn't ready for the accelerated pace. Even if it had been available before, I don't think I would have chosen to enroll my 9th grade students in the class. I think it would have been better to enroll them as 7th or 8th grade students in the Latin I and Latin II sequence than to wait to enroll them as 9th grade students in Accelerated Latin. Of course, that's just my kids. I'm sure there are some students that would be capable of more advanced work and a more accelerated pace than mine were. IMHO (and, of course I don't know your children) most 9th grade students are not ready to handle Wheelock's in a single year even if they have studied Latin using an elementary Latin curriculum. Because Wheelock's is a one-year college text book, covering the entire book in a year is like keeping up with a classics student at a liberal arts college. That would be tough for a 9th grader with little Latin background. I can imagine Accelerated Latin as a great option for a senior who really wanted to bypass elementary Latin instruction in college. I can imagine it as a good choice for a student who has finished a course using one of the high school level curricula (like Henle or Cambridge or any of the other good choices out there) who wants to solidify the concepts he or she has already learned and to broaden vocabulary before tackling college Latin or an AP Latin course. I can also imagine it as a good choice for a very diligent and self-disciplined younger high school student who really wants to make it through AP Latin Vergil but who has had a late start. It would take a LOT of work for the latter, though, and I wouldn't tackle it without planning to spend at least two hours a day studying nothing but Latin. I can even imagine it for someone like me whose Latin definitely lags behind that of her kids! Hth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peela Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 My daughter is doing Cambridge year 3 online.I think you need to use the British versions but I have never heard that they are radically different for the U.S. ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cathy in TX Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I had taught my dd at home through Latin II (Henle) then switched her to Latin III at Scholars Online. Moira, When you say Latin II with Henle, do you mean all of book 1, or book 1 and book 2 of Henle? Thanks, Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynn in Caribbean Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 offers 3 years of high school Latin. Here is the link to their course list: http://www.flvs.net/students_parents/VSACourseAvailability.php It's free for FL students, but you can sign up for courses even if you don't live in FL (if you pay the $$$ of course). I don't have any experience with their courses, but am considering them next year for my ds who will begin 9th grade in the fall. I am hoping someone else will chime in here, and give a review on their Latin courses... Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moira in MA Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I enrolled my dd in Latin III after she completed her grammar with Henle First and Second Year. Yes, she has had to learn a lot of vocabulary and yes, she was nervous about where the other students would be. She has done marvelously. She found that she had less vocabulary but, to compensate, she was more solid on her grammar. Every Latin program had strengths and weaknesses -- Father Henle apparently liked to kill Gauls far more than any other human; but he sure knew when pubescent boys needed to be reminded of basic grammar *grin*. The grammar is reviewed as necessary during Latin III. Please, don't put grammar instruction over reading the Latin. The goal of learning Latin is to be able to enter a conversation with those who wrote in Latin. If your son is sufficiently interested in his Latin studies to want to take Latin I-II intensive *and* Latin III, I'd suggest that he'll be willing to put in the time to solidify the grammar and learn the vocabulary at the same time. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ladywhite Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 My children have taken online Latin from SO (as well as other courses from them) and I have found the pace very challenging - and at times frustating and discouraging. We did much better using a program with a tad slower pace with more time for study and review. My oldest son tested out of almost two years of Latin allowing him to obtain college credit. If you are interested in the program we used, feel free to email me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynde Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dd has had two years of Latin with The Potter's School. We love the classes and instruction. The course uses Lingua Latina. You could email the teacher and ask specific questions and see where your dc might fit into TPS's Latin coming from the curriculum you've used and your dc's level. You can access the teacher, Mr. Spotts, through the TPS website under teachers in the left column. Once on the teacher's page just scroll down and click the teacher's name. Some teachers actually have a link to website with more information. TPS is registering for fall classes this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Bay Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 IMHO (and, of course I don't know your children) most 9th grade students are not ready to handle Wheelock's in a single year even if they have studied Latin using an elementary Latin curriculum. Because Wheelock's is a one-year college text book, covering the entire book in a year is like keeping up with a classics student at a liberal arts college. That would be tough for a 9th grader with little Latin background. Hth Thanks! I thought that might be the case. Now all I need are the finances to swing a course next year (it's not cheap!) We've also decided to give our dd an in-between year and call it 8/9 because she's not quite 13, and she's a young not quite 13. ie, she may be academically ready for high school, but it's not looking like she'll be ready to go to university/college at 17. My kid brother partied out and barely passed his first year (and he's very bright). He didn't turn 18 until November his first year in university. Plus I've heard other stories of 17 yo's not being ready. So she will have 5 years if it works out that we can afford it. I think it would be good practice for her to do a course like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moira in MA Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Moira, When you say Latin II with Henle, do you mean all of book 1, or book 1 and book 2 of Henle? She covered Henle First Year through Unit 7 then moved to Henle Second Year. Henle can be confusing since the additional units beyond 7 in Henle First Year cover material also covered in Henle Second Year but at a much slower pace. It really is dependent on the maturity of your student. I like Wheelocks as a text for an adult or someone nearing that. For my dds it was not an appropriate choice since they were in 6th and 8th grades. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Carmenta Online Latin Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 I urge you to take a look at the Carmenta Online Latin course at http://www.carmentalatin.com This course, taught live by a real teacher in an online web conferencing classroom, is an excellent choice for homeschoolers, people studying in an academic setting where Latin is not offered, people who do not have access to a Latin course where they live, or those for whom the online classroom is more convenient. This Latin course is rigorous and results-oriented, but at the same time there is a built-in flexibility. The live online format makes it possible for those who would not otherwise have the opportunity, to learn Latin, an interesting and highly useful language. This course provides the opportunity for live interaction with the instructor and the other students along with the benefit of the imposed discipline provided by a live teacher, with the accompanying homework and rigid schedule, but in a more convenient online format. The Carmenta Latin course is distinguished from other online Latin courses by its being identical, in every important way, to a very good non-online Latin course. It meets three times a week (the minimum number of sessions necessary, I feel, to allow most students to excel) and comes as close as is possible on the internet to replicating the traditional face-to-face classroom environment through real-time audio/video web conferencing. The instructor and every student are able to hear and speak to every other person in the Web classroom simultaneously, while every student sees live video of the instructor as well. This course focuses on the grammar, basic vocabulary, and idiom of the Latin language. Students are taught through frequent repetition of vocabulary and forms as well as daily translation of contrived sentences and, in time, historical texts. They are also gradually introduced to spoken Latin, and by the second semester conversation is an important part of the class. The structure of the course allows the student to gradually gain facility in translation and the speaking of the language while attaining a greater and greater knowledge of Latin grammatical rules and vocabulary and their relationship to English words and usage. To the best of my knowledge there is no other internet Latin course that allows this level of structure, thoroughness, and essential instructor-with-student and student-with-student live classroom contact at a reasonable, learnable pace. If you are unable to take a Latin class in a physical classroom, or you just like the convenience of this type of online course, I truly feel that this is your best bet. --Andrew Kuhry-Haeuser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 They even have a new Latin club this year, I hear the Latin teacher Mrs. Hensley is awesome and all the kids love her. We do latin next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plimsoll Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 My son is taking Latin 100 online at Lone Pine Classical School. The text used is Orberg's Lingua Latina I, supplemented with study materials covering grammar, vocabulary, history, culture, and mythology. He is learning Latin far more effectively than when we were studying it on our own, and my son really loves the class. Here's a link: http://www.lonepineclassical.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen in VA Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Voice of experience here, having had four different kids take Latin from a total of FIVE different providers -- * Make sure that the program offers AP Latin. If it does not, there is no way to really check to make sure that the Latin is taught at an adequately rigorous level. * Check to make sure that students are signing up for the AP class and the course isn't just theoretically offered. * Make sure that students are actually taking and passing the AP exam and not just taking the class. The quality of providers for online Latin varies widely. And I repeat, the quality of online Latin instruction varies WIDELY! Do your homework before you sign up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine State Sue Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Voice of experience here, having had four different kids take Latin from a total of FIVE different providers -- * Make sure that the program offers AP Latin. If it does not, there is no way to really check to make sure that the Latin is taught at an adequately rigorous level. * Check to make sure that students are signing up for the AP class and the course isn't just theoretically offered. * Make sure that students are actually taking and passing the AP exam and not just taking the class. The quality of providers for online Latin varies widely. And I repeat, the quality of online Latin instruction varies WIDELY! Do your homework before you sign up Gwen, Thank you for sharing these excellent points. Of the 5 providers you used, is there one that you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwen in VA Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 We have had the best experiences with Scholars Online and Regina Coeli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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