Quiver0f10 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 (edited) I am curious if this act will include used book sales? :confused: Edited January 5, 2009 by Quiver0f10 added info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renee in NC Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 From what I understand - yes.:glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teresa in MO Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Could someone tell me what this means. I organize a big used book sale for our homeschooling organization each June. I am ready to reserve the location. Are they really going to enforce this and go around and shut down garage sales, book sales, etc. Does this affect people who want to resell their books and clothes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 This affects books also?! Yeah, the government is going to have quite a time trying to regulate the sale of used items. And yet, what about ebay and amazon...will they now go out of business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaKinVA Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I had a 2-hr teleconference on this today. Items that were manufactured and distributed prior to the effective date of the legislation, or the product type(s) respective deadlines are EXEMPT. They have been "grandfathered" out of meeting the 3rd party testing, etc. requirements. It doesn't matter if they sit on shelves for months or years, if they were manufactured/distributed PRIOR to the effective date, they are EXEMPT. (we went over this point for about 30 minutes, because people were worried about the inventory on their shelves -- afraid they were going to have to pull it and eat the costs...big, big losses here). Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't still issues which have to be resolved. The legislation is very cumbersome and in some respects paints with too large a brush -- but if my manufacturers, distributors and stores (even Michael's) can sell stuff "new" with this exemption, I'd say most of our "used books" will be fine as well -- at least during the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 So if we make something with items that are already sold in the US, will they be exempt...because this is the issue with WAHM's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renee in NC Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 So if we make something with items that are already sold in the US, will they be exempt...because this is the issue with WAHM's. Lisa K, who was giving the teleconference? Here is a link to a memo clarifying this from the Consumer Product Safety Commission that it *does* apply to inventory. February 10, 2009 is the 180th day after enactment, which is the end of the grandfathered period. http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/advisory/317.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy from WT Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) OK - now I see where this information that Lisa has is coming from! And I think it's giving me SOME relief in regards to this bill. She's right - products manufactured before November 12, 2008 are exempt! This is what I found on the CSPIA website: "What certifications are required for children’s products that are tested for lead paint? For currently effective lead paint limits (600 ppm), general conformity certification is required for products manufactured after November 12, 2008 based on a test of the product or a reasonable testing program for products. Third-party testing of the product for currently effective lead paint limits by accredited third party laboratories is required for products manufactured after December 21, 2008." This would seem to indicate that anything manufactured BEFORE November 12th is, indeed, exempt. Meaning that we don't have to panic about the sale of used books, toys and clothing. Phew! The bill still means big trouble ahead for small businesses, though, in regards to new products. Edited January 6, 2009 by Amy from WT misleading information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaKinVA Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 It was Bureau Veritas... the 3rd Party testing group Michael's uses. The presentation was for Industry Standards for Manufacturers (we're primarilly craft related) I'll forward the link and ask this question directly. Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy from WT Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 This thing is just SO hard to interpret. But a wonderful lady, the author of WriteShop actually, has just given me a wonderful link that explains it all beautifully. I wanted to share it with you all. http://www.thesmartmama.com/bg/ This blog is written by an environmental attorney. Here she interprets the CSPIA. The summary? YES, it does include used items and existing inventory. NO, these items do not actually have to be tested and have certification. But they must be lead-compliant. (What that means, or how one would prove that my books, for example, contain no lead with their paper pages and plastic coil bindings, I have no idea.) Anything manufactured after the dates mentioned in the CSPIA has to be tested and receive certification that it meets the approved standards. A simple inexpensive test will do this until August; after that a more expensive test from only government-approved labs will do the trick as the approved lead-levels go drastically down at that point. Again...a great idea....badly thought out. Not only will this kill small businesses, what will it do to prices for the average consumer? How will the garment industry survive if they have to test each individual item? I can't believe this isn't all over the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaxMom Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Ok, so here's another spin-off question: what about those things made with already tested or not needing to be tested materials. Like, for instance, what if someone on Etsy is selling a handbag sewn from vintage garments? The vintage garments are not needing to be tested, since they were clearly manufactured prior to the deadlines, but what about the bag? What if somebody sells wreaths made from plastic flowers they purchased at Michael's? Those will have been tested... ack! :001_huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renee in NC Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 So, if you do sell used items and for some reason they *did* contain lead, then you would be subject to the stiff penalties? The only way to know if your items contain lead or not is to have them tested - lead can be found in plastics, ink, etc. I wonder how liability insurance companies are going to handle this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamturner Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I can't believe this isn't all over the news. I know! My dh doesn't believe me and thinks it's an interent hoax or rumor. It's incredible that it isn't in the news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Some news stations have picked it up (search youtube)...but yes, more places need to be screaming about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen in VA Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Ok, so here's another spin-off question: what about those things made with already tested or not needing to be tested materials. Like, for instance, what if someone on Etsy is selling a handbag sewn from vintage garments? The vintage garments are not needing to be tested, since they were clearly manufactured prior to the deadlines, but what about the bag? What if somebody sells wreaths made from plastic flowers they purchased at Michael's? Those will have been tested... ack! :001_huh: I believe the legislation only concerns those products specifically marketed to/manufactured for children under the age of 12 (or 12 and under?). Wreaths and handbags, as well as used books/clothing not intended for children, don't really fit that category. Anyone want to clarify in case I'm not understanding it properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I had a 2-hr teleconference on this today. Items that were manufactured and distributed prior to the effective date of the legislation, or the product type(s) respective deadlines are EXEMPT. They have been "grandfathered" out of meeting the 3rd party testing, etc. requirements. It doesn't matter if they sit on shelves for months or years, if they were manufactured/distributed PRIOR to the effective date, they are EXEMPT. (we went over this point for about 30 minutes, because people were worried about the inventory on their shelves -- afraid they were going to have to pull it and eat the costs...big, big losses here). Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't still issues which have to be resolved. The legislation is very cumbersome and in some respects paints with too large a brush -- but if my manufacturers, distributors and stores (even Michael's) can sell stuff "new" with this exemption, I'd say most of our "used books" will be fine as well -- at least during the near future. I would be very interested in knowing who at the CPSC confirmed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I believe the legislation only concerns those products specifically marketed to/manufactured for children under the age of 12 (or 12 and under?). Wreaths and handbags, as well as used books/clothing not intended for children, don't really fit that category. Anyone want to clarify in case I'm not understanding it properly? She's saying taking those items and using them as materials to make children's products. Say I went to JA's and bought fabric...that fabric came into the states and was legal to sell. But I want to take that fabric and make something to sell for a child's use...suddenly WE have test for something where the materials were already legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 OK - now I see where this information that Lisa has is coming from! And I think it's giving me SOME relief in regards to this bill. She's right - products manufactured before November 12, 2008 are exempt! This is what I found on the CSPIA website: "What certifications are required for children’s products that are tested for lead paint? For currently effective lead paint limits (600 ppm), general conformity certification is required for products manufactured after November 12, 2008 based on a test of the product or a reasonable testing program for products. Third-party testing of the product for currently effective lead paint limits by accredited third party laboratories is required for products manufactured after December 21, 2008." This would seem to indicate that anything manufactured BEFORE November 12th is, indeed, exempt. Meaning that we don't have to panic about the sale of used books, toys and clothing. Phew! The bill still means big trouble ahead for small businesses, though, in regards to new products. This regards the GCCs only, though. It doesn't say these items are exempt from conforming to the lead standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaxMom Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 She's saying taking those items and using them as materials to make children's products. Say I went to JA's and bought fabric...that fabric came into the states and was legal to sell. But I want to take that fabric and make something to sell for a child's use...suddenly WE have test for something where the materials were already legal. Yes, exactly. Or, for instance, not even using "raw materials" but, say, making a teddy bear out of reclaimed jeans? Or, Fern & Faerie Recycle Diapers? Would Stell's diapers themselves have to be inspected, even though the garments they're made from would be either inspected or exempt because of their manufacture date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyGrace Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 do a show on it today. Maybe that's another way we could get the word out a little more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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