mymonkeybug Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Setting up next school year already and going into 10th grader would like to study European History specifically, not just British(such as Stobaugh)and not World but European History as a whole. Anyone know of any spines or even thorough curricula programs out there such as this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azucena Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Quickly Googled and here are recommended textbooks for AP European History - maybe one of these? http://www.collegeboard.com/html/apcourseaudit/courses/european_history_textbook_list.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymonkeybug Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 Quickly Googled and here are recommended textbooks for AP European History - maybe one of these? http://www.collegeboard.com/html/apcourseaudit/courses/european_history_textbook_list.html Thanks! Not quite what she is interested in. I checked all over the net before coming here to post and just am not seeing what she is seeking. Maybe it's time I write my own. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Thanks! Not quite what she is interested in. I checked all over the net before coming here to post and just am not seeing what she is seeking. Maybe it's time I write my own. ;-) What specifically is she looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymonkeybug Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 What specifically is she looking for? She's wanting to know the History of the countries and how they became what they are. Everything I can find seems to be very World History related and she wants more specific without all the connections you tend to find in World History studies if that makes sense. There's plenty of medieval stuff out there and renn/ref. content but we are struggling to find something that digs deeply into how England and its people came to be England, how Germany became it's own country, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 How far back does she want to go? AP European History texts usually start with the Renaissance. They are often taken from a larger Western Civilization volume that will begin with ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome. It is possible to do some "countries" as a separate study, but she'll need to remember that countries like Germany and Italy are a recent development. The boundaries within the European continent are constantly shifting. Could you please explain more about the "connections" that she is trying to avoid? Religion, economics, politics, plagues, natural disasters, and scientific developments are all part of a country's historical development. I think I am misunderstanding your comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesje22000 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 https://www.amazon.com/IB-History-Europe-Middle-East/dp/0198390165/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997234&sr=8-2&keywords=ib+european+history https://www.amazon.com/Europe-Travels-Through-Twentieth-Century/dp/0307280578/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997432&sr=8-2&keywords=Geert+mak https://www.amazon.com/Danubia-Personal-History-Habsburg-Europe/dp/1250062020/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997283&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=Dunubia https://www.amazon.com/Germania-Wayward-Pursuit-Germans-History/dp/0312680686/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997283&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=Dunubia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymonkeybug Posted January 9, 2017 Author Share Posted January 9, 2017 Could you please explain more about the "connections" that she is trying to avoid? Religion, economics, politics, plagues, natural disasters, and scientific developments are all part of a country's historical development. I think I am misunderstanding your comment. For instance, in studying American History, we have learned how different countries and/or people from other places made it happen. She doesn't want to study Europe only to read on every other page how Europe helped Africa or America or South America, etc...she just wants to immerse herself in how Europe is Europe. I'm probably not making it clear because of this stinking menopausal brain fog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 https://www.amazon.com/IB-History-Europe-Middle-East/dp/0198390165/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997234&sr=8-2&keywords=ib+european+history https://www.amazon.com/Europe-Travels-Through-Twentieth-Century/dp/0307280578/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997432&sr=8-2&keywords=Geert+mak https://www.amazon.com/Danubia-Personal-History-Habsburg-Europe/dp/1250062020/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997283&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=Dunubia https://www.amazon.com/Germania-Wayward-Pursuit-Germans-History/dp/0312680686/ref=sr_1_sc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483997283&sr=8-2-spell&keywords=Dunubia Have you read the Geert Mak book? I don't think I can resist it even though my reading list for the beginning of the year is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootAnn Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I'm thinking you might have to cobble it together. Not exactly what she's looking for, I'm afraid, but something along the same lines that might be fascinating is The Adventure of English: The Biography of a Language. I suggest it in audiobook for the pronunciations, but some people prefer the actual book. It goes into how English came to be English through the history of the area. It doesn't touch on all the history, but it does do quite a bit. You might end up having to find resources for each of the countries/areas being studied. I don't think there is a textbook like what you are asking for. Perhaps several individual books? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I used Kagan's Western Civilization book for AP European History and just started with the chapter on the Renaissance. There are AP specific editions, but they are pretty much the same text that just has a middle ages review as the first chapter. You can get some really good deals on slightly older editions. Kagan does tend to look at a movement or trend and then apply it to specific countries. The Spielvogel books seem to have a little more of a country focus. In either case, you end up doing a lot of back and forth. Movements like the Renaissance or the Enlightenment or the Reformation tended to cross country boundaries. Both of these spines will talk about other regions in the context of how colonization or trade affected European history (for example, the Spanish and Portuguese vying for land and influence in South America and then the English coming in to compete in North America). I also used books like this: https://www.amazon.com/Aspects-Western-Civilization-Problems-Sources/dp/0205708331/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484003119&sr=1-1&keywords=aspects+of+western+civilization https://www.amazon.com/Aspects-Western-Civilization-Problems-Sources/dp/0205708323/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0205708323&pd_rd_r=W8M27Z59JNE1FKV1XE7V&pd_rd_w=Y2oMI&pd_rd_wg=9Bimg&psc=1&refRID=W8M27Z59JNE1FKV1XE7V You may be able to just use volume 2; I don't remember what the cut off was. This series was nice and focused: https://www.amazon.com/dp/067964086X/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2TTU2JUO796QS&coliid=I1V3F2NEOQ3AR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FC1G9W/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2TTU2JUO796QS&coliid=I2U8GNKT5YPTFY I'm also a big fan of this series, which mixes commentary, essay and primary document: https://www.amazon.com/Russian-Revolution-Bolshevik-Victory-Civilization/dp/0669208779/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484003240&sr=1-1&keywords=problems+in+european+civilization 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I used Kagan's Western Civilization book for AP European History and just started with the chapter on the Renaissance. There are AP specific editions, but they are pretty much the same text that just has a middle ages review as the first chapter. You can get some really good deals on slightly older editions. Kagan does tend to look at a movement or trend and then apply it to specific countries. The Spielvogel books seem to have a little more of a country focus. In either case, you end up doing a lot of back and forth. Movements like the Renaissance or the Enlightenment or the Reformation tended to cross country boundaries. Both of these spines will talk about other regions in the context of how colonization or trade affected European history (for example, the Spanish and Portuguese vying for land and influence in South America and then the English coming in to compete in North America). I also used books like this: https://www.amazon.com/Aspects-Western-Civilization-Problems-Sources/dp/0205708331/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484003119&sr=1-1&keywords=aspects+of+western+civilization https://www.amazon.com/Aspects-Western-Civilization-Problems-Sources/dp/0205708323/ref=pd_sim_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0205708323&pd_rd_r=W8M27Z59JNE1FKV1XE7V&pd_rd_w=Y2oMI&pd_rd_wg=9Bimg&psc=1&refRID=W8M27Z59JNE1FKV1XE7V You may be able to just use volume 2; I don't remember what the cut off was. This series was nice and focused: https://www.amazon.com/dp/067964086X/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2TTU2JUO796QS&coliid=I1V3F2NEOQ3AR https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FC1G9W/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2TTU2JUO796QS&coliid=I2U8GNKT5YPTFY I'm also a big fan of this series, which mixes commentary, essay and primary document: https://www.amazon.com/Russian-Revolution-Bolshevik-Victory-Civilization/dp/0669208779/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484003240&sr=1-1&keywords=problems+in+european+civilization Did you read the Paul Johnson book? I have read his American history and appreciated earlier chapters, but I looked at the Publisher's Weekly review for this one and it's fairly painful. I was thinking of you the other day as my dh just started Shaara's Rise to Rebellion, which was one of your suggestions a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootAnn Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) Or, for Germany . . . something like Iron Kingdom: The Rise and Downfall of Prussia, 1600-1947 with a time overlap (perhaps a different perspective?) to History of Modern Germany. ETA: Lots of French history books, but what about something like The Discovery of France: A Historical Geography Edited January 9, 2017 by RootAnn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriet Vane Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Quickly Googled and here are recommended textbooks for AP European History - maybe one of these? http://www.collegeboard.com/html/apcourseaudit/courses/european_history_textbook_list.html From this list, this is the one I used: Palmer, R. R., Joel Colton, and Lloyd Kramer. A History of the Modern World. New York: McGraw-Hill. All editions published from 2007 to the present. It is extremely Eurocentric, though it does also contain updated chapters on Asia and Africa as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriet Vane Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Did you read the Paul Johnson book? I have read his American history and appreciated earlier chapters, but I looked at the Publisher's Weekly review for this one and it's fairly painful. I was thinking of you the other day as my dh just started Shaara's Rise to Rebellion, which was one of your suggestions a couple of years ago. I took a look at Johnson's writing and hated it. Hated. it. He assumes a LOT of base knowledge on the part of the reader--knowledge most high school students simply do not have. His presuppositions place his writing more in the realm of advanced reading, like for someone who is looking towards a master's degree or Ph.D. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian (a lady) Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Did you read the Paul Johnson book? I have read his American history and appreciated earlier chapters, but I looked at the Publisher's Weekly review for this one and it's fairly painful. I was thinking of you the other day as my dh just started Shaara's Rise to Rebellion, which was one of your suggestions a couple of years ago. I don't think I got that particular volume. It was the first on on my list from the series. I did just finish the German Empire by Michael Sturmer, which was good. Another similar series is the Oxford Very Short History series. Edited January 10, 2017 by Sebastian (a lady) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I took a look at Johnson's writing and hated it. Hated. it. He assumes a LOT of base knowledge on the part of the reader--knowledge most high school students simply do not have. His presuppositions place his writing more in the realm of advanced reading, like for someone who is looking towards a master's degree or Ph.D. His writing in recent years has moved more from well-researched academic writing to more sensational, emotive, and slightly out there commentary. I made myself read the American book as a more conservative balance to my other readings. I felt that at one point I was reading two different authors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I don't think I got that particular volume. It was the first on on my list from the series. I did just finish the German Empire by Michael Sturmer, which was good. Another similar series is the Oxford Very Short History series. Thank you! I'll have to see if the library has some of both series to check out. I can bypass Johnson as I have plenty of good materials for that time frame. I am still reading even with no one at home to teach. I really need a student. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimmermom3 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I'm thinking you might have to cobble it together. Not exactly what she's looking for, I'm afraid, but something along the same lines that might be fascinating is The Adventure of English: The Biography of a Language. I suggest it in audiobook for the pronunciations, but some people prefer the actual book. It goes into how English came to be English through the history of the area. It doesn't touch on all the history, but it does do quite a bit. You might end up having to find resources for each of the countries/areas being studied. I don't think there is a textbook like what you are asking for. Perhaps several individual books? It might be fun to use a standard spine and approach it from one thematic area, perhaps books like The Tigress of Forli and Eleanor of Aquitaine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesje22000 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Have you read the Geert Mak book? I don't think I can resist it even though my reading list for the beginning of the year is huge. I own it and read the first few chapters :) I decided to wait and read the books when we are closer to that era with history. Is writing style in this book differs from other books I read from him and I really loved. He is a good writer and praised in the Netherlands. Of course I read him in Dutch and notmin English ;) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liza Q Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Isaac Asimov's The Dark Ages was a short, fascinating look at the various European tribes after the fall of Rome. While it doesn't get into how Germany became the Germany we now know, it might be a good place to start. https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Ages-Isaac-Asimov/dp/0395065658 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymonkeybug Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 Thank you all for some great links and suggestions while I was away. I will take the time to search through them all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelia Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Shmoop has a European History course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3andme Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Maybe something like Europe in the Modern World would work. This is a relatively new textbook. Here's some other free lecture resources on European history: European Civilization 1648-1945 - Yale open lectures by John Merriman. He has written a corresponding book A History of Modern Europe. European Civilization from Ren. to the Present - Berkeley lectures by Thomas Laquer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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