sassenach
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Is this your pastor? Honestly, this sounds like gossip. If he is your pastor, it sounds like you need to set up coffee with him. If he is not your pastor, then you should probably steer whoever is talking with you to do the same. I get a real bad taste in my mouth when people pick apart pastors like this.
It was said by a pastor whose typical week looks like this:Preach Sunday morning at 8:30 & 11:00.
Facilitate men's Bible study every other Sunday night (go through a fill-in-the-blank booklet w/the group).
This man also meets once a month with the deacons, once a month with the missions committee, and visits people if they are in the hospital (not often).
He spends most of his time at home, not in the office. He also is a volunteer at the local fire department, on a committee at the school where his wife teaches, and a guest speaker at other facilities.
He does not attend Sunday School or teach it.
His church does have small groups, none of which he leads or has any involvement in whatsoever. They are all led by other people, as is VBS, youth group, outreach programs, missions, etc. He has done away with the Sunday night service, the midweek service, and the weekly prayer meeting.
Some people in his church feel like he's simply skating by, trying to keep his church responsibilities to a bare minimum. Neither he nor his wife are involved with the people in their congregation; he simply preaches Sunday morning and does the every-other-week men's Bible study.
Others are convinced that he's right when he says it's not his job to do ministry. They have no problem with the lack of involvement, hospitality, sunday school attendance, etc. They think it's enough that he preaches 2 services on Sunday morning and that's it.
Just trying to get a feel for how other view the statement. Thanks for your input -- KEEP IT COMING!!! :D
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I think that when people say that they mean that the spiritual gift of pastor-teacher is primarily a communication gift. It is a gift that teaches others in the congregation and so requires a certain amount of study time. And many pastor's are kept from having time to study by having to visit the sick etc. So in one sense I agree with the statement.
What I don't agree about the statement is it's black and white nature. While it is the pastor's job to equip others to do ministry, part of teaching is also by example. And in that sense a pastor needs to be doing non-teaching ministry to others.
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In the original language, the word translated to pastor and elder are the same word. When you read about responsibilities and requirements for a pastor, those actually are intended to be shared between all of the elders. The pastor-teacher role (usually the lead pastor) is considered the first among equals. Meaning he does have a headship role, but that does not mean he is supposed to do it all. Ministry to the flock is supposed to be a shared responsibility. His PRIMARY role is to teach/equip the flock. And if you are a believer, then you are THE CHURCH and should have a ministry. And yes, it is the teacher-pastors role to equip you for that ministry.
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Not to make this even more confusing, but the Modesto conference is July 25 and 25. That doesn't give the planning time you're talking about either.
Also, just from the site it looks like a Christian hs conference.
Alicia
I should clarify- I'm a Christian. I just didn't want to eliminate secular conferences.
I decided on CHEA Long Beach. I'm gearing up for 7th grade with my oldest, so I want to go to the biggest conference. It's also just less stress for me to set up camp at my mom's house than it would be to drive back and forth to Modesto. It's totally going to work out. My mom is taking a couple of days off and I'm leaving the kids with her. I'm sleeping at my grandma's house, which is only 15-20 min from LB. So it'll be a little getaway for me as well. Dh will actually be out of state doing a wedding (he's a pastor).
In the future, I'll probably hit Modesto or Santa Clara. VHE has been mentioned so many times, I know I'm going to want to make it there at least one time. Frankly, FPEA in Florida has set the bar really high. I've been spoiled to the point that I actually tried to talk DH into letting my fly back for that one. Well, my motivation for that was also to get a visit with friends, but I'm just going to have to wait till the fall for that.
That was way more than you asked, lol.
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I'm so new to this. How come nobody is recommending the Homeschool Association of California? They hold their conference each August in Sacramento.
I was planning on going to it, but it's concerning me that it's not being mentioned here.
It's Aug. 6 to Aug. 29.
What do you think?
Alicia
I'm new to California, so I can't speak to its reputation, but I can tell you why I eliminated it. August is a very odd time for a HS convention. I go to conventions to get my hands on materials and to make decisions. I need to have my next year materials decided on and ordered way before August. We usually start school in August. So for me, the timing would be right at the beginning of my school year, when I'm enjoying my last few days of vacation with the kids and organizing my materials. Now if I was going purely for the pep rally atmosphere, I could see how the timing would be good, but for me it just doesn't work.
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These are my all time favorite read alouds. I LOVE this series.
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She should write a book. I think I could do it now, but back when we first started? No way. I needed a lot of hand holding in the beginning.
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Advantage? Yes. Unfair? No.
If I were you, I would not spend one second thinking about what others may think. Who cares? I mean, isn't this why we homeschool? Not to win spelling bees, of course, but because we believe it to be better for our kids (one might say, to give them an advantage in life and learning)?
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I'm so excited, because I just figured this out. Google books has a mobile site for the iPhone/itouch. I have an iPhone and yep, it totally works ~happy dance~. You might want to look into buying an old iPhone or itouch off of eBay. I know several people who have bought used iPhones, but don't activate the phone feature. They basically work just like the itouch. Like you, I just can't imagine printing off the books, so using an electronic device is really the only way for me. Hth,
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Approx how much is CHEA Long Beach? I can't find anything on the website that even gives me an estimate. Thanks!
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And then one day she just broke down and got honest with me. She said "From the time you told me that you are pregnant I have been dreaming of holding my grandchild in my arms." I broke down crying and admitted that I wanted the baby and from that moment on everything changed.
But it started with my mom saying that it was okay. That I was okay. That I could have this baby and she would help me and that the baby was worthy of life and love.
I love this post Kelli. I had a very similar experience, including the marriage stuff. My moment with my mom was when she said to me, "You only get to be pregnant with your first baby once. I want this to be special for you." It made me feel like a legitimate mom and really encouraged me to put on my big girl pants and become the mother that our baby needed.
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Hey Stacey,
I just want to jump in and let you know that our first was born the day after my 17th bday. You've had a lot of responses, so I'll leave it at this- if it turns out that she is pregnant, drop me a line. Every situation is different, but I believe I can give you a little ray of hope.
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Sounds favorable Joanne. I'll be praying for you (and your son, husband, ect) through the rest of this process. Thanks for the update,
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We just moved to a new area. I'm browsing through the policies and everything seems normal/reasonable until I come to this-
The charge for reserve requests is fifty cents ($0.50) per request.
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What a great video. Warning- before you show your kids, there is a moment of raw language, both spoken and subtitled. Still, it's a sweet video. Best wishes to your family Elaine.
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They were all either supportive or silent in their objections, which works for me. My most vocal objector was a neighbor.
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Yes, you are correct. This is something I'm aware of and wish I had a quick fix for my problem. I imagine this thing called "life" is why God has me here - to help me learn to care more about how He see's me than others. It is far more frustrating to know these things and not be able to wave the magic wand and fix them overnight. I've got a lot of issues - thank God he sent Jesus for sick and not the well. I'm in the right place.
I'm glad you handled yourself so well in that situation.
I was pretty tough on you and that was just a super graceful response. I'm really praying that this all gets worked out Jana.
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I attended a church about 15 years ago that was very legalistic in their child rearing ideas, and their women's place in the church, and a whole lot of just plan legalism. They gave probability that book or a booklet regarding how to raise children similar to me. I was a young mom and followed some of their stuff for about 4 months, then got the heck out of dodge.
I have spanked, but guess what time out worked great for my kids.
I would guess that the book is something that the church recommends and gives to all new members or someone who has attended awhile.
No, I think you are wrong about that. This is a fairly new book by Ginger Plowman. In the realm of parenting books it is VERY light weight. If she had been given To Train Up a Child, I would think of the action a lot differently. My knowledge of this particular book is why I think that the giver's motives were probably pure.
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It's a great book, you should read it. It's a great companion to Shepherding a Child's Heart. Perhaps she thought you would be interested in a solidly bible based, quick read?
You owe the giver a phone call, at the very least. It sounds like you over reacted based on your own insecurities. I also have to tell you, your posts come across as VERY judgmental. You seem to think and act on the belief that everyone around you is threatened by your family choices. I really think you are probably very wrong about that. If you're having a hard time meshing with these people, it could be because you are exuding judgement rather than warmth. Judgmental people tend to think that others are thinking of them the same way, hence your defensiveness.
I once had a lady who had been to our home 1 time, bring me a parenting book. She had no kids, but she brought it nicely wrapped on her second visit to our house. I thanked her for it and left it at that. I did have pause over her motivation, for a moment as I went over our kid's behavior that evening in my head, but then I moved on. After getting to know her better, I think she thought we needed it, lol. Somehow I survived enough to develop a friendship with her. I know that if I had shunned her gift, it would have dashed what God was doing in our developing relationship. I have never regretted taking the high road. For the record, it was a great book : )
If I were you, I would really spend some time thinking over how much energy you are spending on trying to figure out/evaluate what other people think of you. It may be a hinderance in your developing relationships.
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So far, I've truly only gained. I have almost always been a sahm and if I wasn't hsing, I would still be home with my 4yo. That said, before hsing, my master plan was to go back to school and become an RN once the kids were all in school. So as of next year, I'm postponing nursing school.
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I've never understood the uproar about this.
Canada has ratified, though not fully implemented. It hasn't affected homeschooling at all.
Maybe I come at this from a diff perspective as I used to work with refugees and all the various international human rights conventions are critical in trying to help people escape persecution in their nations.
I believe there is something about the US constitution that gives ratified treaties more weight in our country than in others. Let me see if I can find that link..... well, I found this excerpt-
4. How does the United States government treat international law?
Article VI Section 2 of the United States Constitution makes treaties signed by the United States the law of the land—equivalent to Acts of Congress and subordinate to the text of the Constitution only. This means that international treaties are, in effect, superior to the laws of states and their judicial systems. Treaties are approved pursuant to Article II Section 2 by the President, with approval of two-thirds of the United States Senate.
If the Constitution is silent on a matter then treaties automatically carry the same weight as the Constitution itself. Having been protected for centuries, parental rights are now in danger of being usurped by government control simply because they are not explicitly written into the text of the Constitution.
5. How does the US view of international treaties differ from the rest of the world?
The crucial difference between the US and other countries when it comes to international law is that the US Constitution places treaties in a superior position in relation to state laws and constitutions, making the ratified treaty the law of the land. When the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child seemed poised to come before the Senate in 1995, many senators felt that it was completely incompatible with American law. Ratifying the Convention would mean imposing laws created outside of this country on citizens within this country.
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Here, just north of San Fran- 150k.
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This was marriage changing info when we read the book years ago. Dh is a words guy and I'm a quality time girl. Close second for him is gifts and physical touch for me. We're pretty much opposite.
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I am sorry about your mom not respecting your boundary on school time. Maybe you could change your answering machine message to make it clear to everyone who calls that you do not accept incoming messages during school hours. Mention what time you will be available to return calls. Let them know if it is an emergency, you will phone them back earlier. Stick to your guns on this one.
That's what I'd do. Even if she's the only one who calls, it may help to have a publicly communicated policy. I'm sure that somewhere in her mind, she believes that you break the 3pm rule for people that you *really* want to talk to. She thinks she should be one of those people. Otherwise, I would turn the ringer off and silence the answering machine. I just had another thought- you could tell her that you need to detox her from phone calls, so you'll be ignoring her- night and day, for the next week. But that's a little on the harsh side. Try changing your message first.
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Who was it that got locked in her school room with her kids? All I remember was she was posting from the inside and her morning cup of coffee was starting to kick in.
Tell me -- in all honesty -- what you think of this statement: (cc)
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Yes, your OP was about the statement, but your subsequent posts have moved onto picking apart his weekly schedule and the history of his ministry at that church. Is this your pastor?