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10 minutes ago, square_25 said:
You know what's always full of doomsday predictions? Social media. And I have no idea how to get people to stop getting their news off of social media, but they really shouldn't. But that's not "them" moving any goalposts. That's people taking no care to be careful with their data. A collective action problem, so to speak.
Where do people think news on social media comes from? It comes from the same places as everywhere else. Readers should absolutely assess the source, and actually read the full article, but the headline seen as they are scrolling by is what remains burned into people's thoughts .
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6 hours ago, Ordinary Shoes said:
It should irritate you. It's emotionally manipulative language. It it intended to denigrate those who choose to stay home.
I've done a lot of thinking about what our family will do when the SIP order is raised. Who can we trust? One of my criteria is the use of language like that. If you feel like you must manipulate me, then obviously I can't trust you. Many people have made it pretty easy for me to determine that they are not worthy of my trust.
Unfortunately that will just make them angrier and the language will escalate giving further indication that they are not worthy of trust.
I'm frustrated with this sentiment, because how else can you describe a legitimate fear?
I know what you're trying to get at, and I can totally see some people doing that.
This is more what I am talking about:
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/hidden-death-toll-doctors-say-people-dying-as-they-avoid-ers-due-to-covid-fears-
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13 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:
I think everyone understands that the stay at home orders have to be lifted eventually.
And yes I know some are opposed to the stay at home orders on philosophical grounds. I would suggest these people educate themselves about how epidemics have been addressed in the past. They might be surprised about what they learn.
ETA to call out the kind of emotional manipulation that we will see more of in the future. "f everyone is going to stay home anyway because they are so scared..."
Ok, so when is eventually? When there is a vaccine, in 18 months - 2 years - more? I thought what I read for phased re-opening seemed rational, and fully expect that if cases surge, restrictions will be reapplied. So what's with the push back?
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11 minutes ago, Ordinary Shoes said:
I think everyone understands that the stay at home orders have to be lifted eventually.
And yes I know some are opposed to the stay at home orders on philosophical grounds. I would suggest these people educate themselves about how epidemics have been addressed in the past. They might be surprised about what they learn.
ETA to call out the kind of emotional manipulation that we will see more of in the future. "f everyone is going to stay home anyway because they are so scared..."
Oh. I had not foreseen that. Hmmm, not sure what to say now. It is a legitimate fear.
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53 minutes ago, Pam in CT said:re business model underpinning AP:
Both the AP tests themselves, and the accreditation process by which schools are able to obtain "AP Class" status, are managed by the College Board, which also administers the PSAT/SAT and a bunch of other widely-used standardized tests. College Board is a registered 501c3 with non-profit status and a declared mission to "connect students to college success." It is also a multi-hundreds-of-million dollar industry with multiple lines of revenue generation with an extremely large vested interest in maintaining its (considerable) institutional influence. A great many of the top-tier schools at both the high school and university levels have been moving away from its hegemony, and COVID is (to my mind, for the better) adding momentum to that already-underway movement.
re: The measures are working! So we don't need the measures!
I like this one myself:
I like your cartoon better. If we are successful (and success still means many people suffer illness and die), it is supposed to feel like we overreacted. Right from the start the method promoted has been the hammer and the dance, managing that curve as best we can. The problem I see with the cartoon I shared is it polarizes people. Some have stopped thinking in terms of flattening the curve and begun thinking they can stop the coronovirus, if only we keep the most severe restrictions in place for the longest period of time possible. Any talk of any loosening strikes them as sheer madness, and even the most placid begin lashing out in surprising ways.
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To get back on topic, the closer Canada gets to even discussing even partially reopening, *this* is what is floating around FB. People are absolutely terrified. It is disheartening.
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On 4/14/2020 at 9:33 AM, Pawz4me said:
8 in 10 would wait to resume activities after government lifts coronavirus restrictions
That's of course just one poll, but it certainly seems to indicate there's widespread bipartisan support for NOT rushing to re-open.
That matches what I'm seeing here. After 5 weeks of shutdown, the provincial govt. is still reluctant to discuss even partially re-opening in two more weeks. They're saying maybe 2 weeks after that, so four more weeks til even a partial reopen. They might have to shovel the people out of their houses at that point, because the fear I'm seeing would suggest you won't get people participating at much more than 50% levels, regardless.
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On 4/13/2020 at 9:52 PM, Paige said:
I think it is too soon to discuss opening things up. We should open up when we're prepared to handle the risks- when everyone who needs it can have effective PPE, when we have beds and a better idea of what the virus is doing to people and how to treat it, when anyone who wants a test can get it as easily as we get swabbed for flu or strep throat. I'd also really like to know if catching it gives you at least immunity for now or not before reopening.
Those things should be our number one focus in every state. I am tempted to say that if people in N Dakota can say they've met those conditions then they should be able to open up, but I also feel if N Dakota has plenty of PPE for their nurses and they don't need it yet, they should be sending it to NYC, Detroit, and New Orleans, and whoever is in crisis.
I'm uncomfortable with this talk of "peaking." It is not as if once your state peaks and the curve flattens and even zeros out then you are done, over with it, and can relax. It can come right back without continued vigilance and communities should be prepared rather than complacent. Think of it like the Vikings in England- they didn't just raid once, go home, and stay there. People needed to learn and be prepared for the next raid.
The 1918 flu killed more in the second peaks. I'm not a pessimist- I'm a realist. I want to open things back ASAP, but I want it done right, so we don't have to close everything down again next fall or spring! Thinking of opening up without having in place the resources we need to prevent another shutdown makes me itchy. Get the PPE, get the tests and the supplies needed to run the tests, get people ready to have contact tracing be their job, have a plan to make sure exposed people stay put- preferably outside of their homes, and do whatever else the people who know more than me are saying needs to be done.
If the Yanomami are seeing cases then small town USA cannot be safe.
I agree about the PPE and testing, but what I've read right from the start said that this was going to managed with a run of opening things up and shutting them back down.
It's like cleaning house when the kids are little - you are going to have to do it again, there is no way to do it so right it won't need to be done again.-
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On 4/13/2020 at 9:16 PM, kiwik said:
Based purely in this forum the US doesn't seem to have actually shut. People are discussing getting take aways, going to Walmart, hiking and a bunch of other things that don't sound very shut down to me. Also it brings to the forefront how un-united the states are. Unless you are going to completely shut and patrol state borders and enforce mandatory quarantine there is no point in doing it state by state. The whole US has to get on the same programme.
They are the size of many European countries. Apples to oranges.
ETA: I see this was addressed well by others earlier on. Nothing to see here...
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It's hard to pick a favourite. Lovely!
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Which just goes to show, so often it is not only about doing the right thing, it is about reassuring those watching that you are doing the right thing.
An inefficient, but apparently necessary evil.-
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This whole TP thing is such a weird social experiment in scarcity mentality. People overhear fear that their TP is made in China - without actually looking - and copy the poor behavior of those in another hemisphere. Huge blip in the supply. And then it trickles down: families that might otherwise wait a week or two think Oh, there's some in stock better grab some. Hubby stops at the store for milk, honey if you see some TP grab a package, just in case. And it just goes on and on and on. CRAZINESS.
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On 4/2/2020 at 5:40 AM, HeighHo said:
We had the convo at that age in terms of emergency prep for hurricanes, car accidents etc. It turned out to be a wise convo because ds steered it immediately to financial and the college /career training funding question -- some of the teens ds knew had not been able to continue college after a parent died, were floundering in life, and weren't aware of their options; we have an older relative that has financial difficulty but he wasn't aware that elder had chosen not to use a budget....so good convo, he was much happier knowing who had his back and that he would have some options and mentors.
In the sealed envelope we added to the list of trusted adults....ds had a good relationship with his godfather, but I formally called a trusted few lifelong friends and they were the backups. I also listed who not to trust and what lawyer to call if they needed someone local as well as the supervisors name and number for us in order to finish the employee insurance paperwork. All of this is normal stuff needed anyway. Also list what bills are due when....one of the hardest things with my parents' death was that we didn't have a list, so had to trust that the mail would arrive in a timely fashion and that the bills had been paid the month prior.
THIS is one of my worries; with so many bills coming to email or directly to your phone (or even you just having to remember them), it sets up for a much less reliable system than good old snail mail and paper billing used to be. I could go off on a whole rant of how ridiculous I think some company's billing has become.
Down thread was a great suggestion to make a master list which I plan to implement.-
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1 hour ago, barnwife said:
What do they think people did before TP? I just cannot understand why anyone would think themselves too...important? good? to have to be willing to contemplate such things. I mean, do I want to? No. But we are living during a pandemic. And as such sacrifices will have to be made. Going to 10 stores when something has such easy solutions (family cloth, paper towels if you have them, newspapers, magazines, junk mail, leaves) that completely avoid the possibility of spreading germs is just, for me and my household, not a line to cross at this time.No, people are not seriously contemplating that yet because we are not there yet. Assurances have been made that there is plenty, it is just insane purchasing disrupting the entire supply chain.
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3 hours ago, Margaret in CO said:
Um, we're supposed to get snow...
Same 😢
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8 hours ago, Tanaqui said:
If you like sitcoms you can do worse than Malcom in the Middle. I still love that show.
Which reminds me, The Middle can be pretty funny too.
ETA: Whoops! KrissK beat me to it.
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If you can find it, Corner Gas.
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My hubby learned much from The Gulag Archipelago (Solzhenitsyn), though I'm not sure how readable that makes it.
Recently I actually enjoyed A Gentleman in Moscow (Towles). ETA: Historical fiction, but maybe not an epic.-
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No. If the snow ever melts, we are just finishing up winter when we do a lot of that. So no, just did that, ready to start enjoying the freedom of movement that usually accompanies spring and summer.
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A quick google search suggests you could use Just Joking Defense, Just Kidding Excuse or Just Joking Justification, which has a nice alliterative ring.
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47 minutes ago, HeighHo said:
my bad
they know they were in the wrong and flipped you the bird
Are you saying that is what 'my bad' means?
I do not think it means what you think it means.
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5 hours ago, MercyA said:
Agatha Christie for sure. Clean, short, page-turners, all!
And Then There Were None would be at the top of my list for her.
The three Christies that stand out most for me are
And Then There Were None
Murder on the Orient Express
The Murder of Roger AckroydThere's nothing like a quality murder mystery to work on critical thinking, in my mystery fan opinion. :-)
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The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey sprang to mind, but it was written in 1951.
Murder on the Orient Express by Agatha Christie was another, but yes there could be dated references in there that I no longer remember.Would the No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency count?
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With grout and sealer it will blend much better.
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Is the goal FLATTEN THE CURVE or ELIMINATE COVID?
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I read four different articles from credible sources detailing the same press conference from our provincial health officer: two spun it as 'Wow, we may seem some restrictions lifted by mid-May' and two spun it as 'Nothing will change any time soon.' The way journalists filter the news is at least bearable in print. I cannot watch much televised news from any source.