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My kids found an Atomic FireBall and gave it to me. I love those things! The kids each got a piece of candy after breakfast. Now they are trading, sorting, and counting candy. Can I call that math?
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I wasn't suggesting that you don't. I was responding to other posters who want their kids to regurgitate their political views.
Ahhhh. I see. Sorry I misunderstood.
I don't want my kids to regurgitate my political beliefs. I want them to process what I stand for, take it to heart, then Formulate their OWN beliefs. Hopefully they will be somewhat similar to my beliefs, but if they're not, I will respect their beliefs as long as they arrived at that place through logic, reason, and education.
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:iagree: This is where we will start (because our politics reflect our values), and we'll go from there. My 10yo is just starting to clue into politics, and really, politics cover so many issues that she just can't truly wrap her head around yet. For example, she knows that some people are hungry in the world, but she can't really get it since she hasn't experienced it or seen it herself. She certainly can't understand the long-reaching issues stemming from poverty. I don't even understand all of it. How would I expect a kid to?:iagree::iagree:
Maybe there was a time when the personal and the political weren't all mashed up but that time isn't now. And it feels that way for all sides of the political spectrum.
I explained why I made that specific statement here:
It's not necessarily a bad thing. Growing up, my parents instilled in me a hatred of all things "other" party. I was not allowed or encouraged to have an opposing view or I was going straight to hell. Yes, my political views reflect my values. Yes, I want to pass on my values to my children. However, I want those values/political views to be THEIR values and political views. I want them to work it out on their own. I don't want little clones (because sometimes I'm really annoying:tongue_smilie:). I want them to read and learn for themselves. I won't ever tell them it's my political party or eternal d@mnation. That's where I was coming from when I made that statement.Yes, I want to pass my values along to my kids. And I agree with Jennifer that the personal and the political just cannot be separated at this point in time. I just don't want them to mindlessly follow everything I say, unless I tell them to wash the dishes or do schoolwork without complaining;).
I prefer to teach my kids how to think and then allow them to come to their own conclusions.OP: Maybe you could guide him in an in-depth study of the parties and the complexities of the issues they are faced with?
Obviously I want my kids to think. I deal with too many people IRL who just regurgitate what they are told without any sort of understanding. I was talking abut that specific thing.
And we are studying the various parties, though finding unbiased information about political parties is darn near impossible. We are covering the whole election process. I'm trying my best to fix the problem.
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I need to update my original post. Now that the kids are asleep, I have been stealing their candy without shame. This is the one day a year where they earn their keep. I deserve those twix bars! And Butterfinger bars. And tootsie rolls. :lol:
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Ugh!!! So very sorry. You are a strong, capable, intelligent woman. You are a fabulous mother and wife. You have broken free from this "man". You are teaching your children both how to treat a woman and how a woman should be treated. Life really kinda sucks right now for you. I am so sorry for that. Just know that some crazy woman in Nebraska believes in you, believes you will come out of this craptastic situation stronger and wiser. :grouphug:
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Best cartoon ever! One year my son was the Charlie Brown ghost. Everyone loved it. Seriously, we watch this at least 3 times before Halloween. Did I mention how much I love this cartoon?
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"Well, I do have her/his birth certificate. Surely, that will do."
:lol: Great minds think alike. This was my first thought as well.
I presume your mum was a qualified Speech Pathologist before she taught you to speak?And a Pysiotherapist before she taught you to walk?
Does she hold grief counselling qualifications for when your first pet died?
There is no way she would have attempted toilet training you without all the relevant police checks I hope?!
Did she keep her qualifications up to date?
Ask to view her certificates etc.
You could have fun with this...
:iagree: For real! I'm shocked I've kept these people alive for so long without a proper parenting certificate. Boggles the mind.;)
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Why is this a bad thing? My political beliefs reflect my values. I *want* my kids to reflect my values.
Tara
It's not necessarily a bad thing. Growing up, my parents instilled in me a hatred of all things "other" party. I was not allowed or encouraged to have an opposing view or I was going straight to hell. Yes, my political views reflect my values. Yes, I want to pass on my values to my children. However, I want those values/political views to be THEIR values and political views. I want them to work it out on their own. I don't want little clones (because sometimes I'm really annoying:tongue_smilie:). I want them to read and learn for themselves. I won't ever tell them it's my political party or eternal d@mnation. That's where I was coming from when I made that statement.
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You're not really criticizing her for being afraid rather than feeling celebratory, right? Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
Hug to you, Imp. And peace.
No! Just supporting her and saying I would never flame someone for having a baby.
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:grouphug: All babies should be celebrated. :grouphug:
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okay edited: So that is something else that is bothering me. If the church is going to dogmatically hold to this view that Born of Spirit only occurs with water baptism and my kids know that was not the case for their parents then how are my kids going to trust that those teaching at the church and their parents really are Born of Spirit and led by God (Romans 8)?
Yes. My daughter wants to get baptized but she is still stuck wondering "Am I really saved? How do I know if I am really saved?"
I like the Lutheran view of the sacraments. I can hear the word of God and believe that Christ died for sinners. I can be baptized and believe that his death and resurrection apply to ME. I can eat His flesh and drink His blood and know that He gave these for ME.
My kids were baptized at ages 8, 5, and 16 months. Lutherans don't really, truly believe you will not enter the Kingdom if you are not baptized. My kids knew Jesus before they were baptized. It's just that the sacrament of Baptism should not be ignored. In my older kids, I just saw so much more spiritual growth after their baptism.
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I was recently sent this link about the history of Lutherans and Eastern Orthodox. Catholics may not like it.
http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/tca_luther.aspx
Crud. Milovany just may win the whole Jesus argument:lol:;). That was a fascinating article.
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Sorry, my kids don't sleep without me and my daughter was wanting me to put her back to bed, so I wasn't communicating well.Oh look at that, I did say salvation. You can't blame me for lapsing into Baptist speech without even realizing it. lol. I will edit.
As for the Orthodox link called Luther had His Chance, well that is obviously written from the Orthodox perspective. I enjoyed seeing what they couldn't reconcile... pretty much the same things I agree with the Lutheran church on.
:lol: My dh has been on night shift for the last 3 weeks. I do not sleep well without dh:001_wub:. That makes me a little crazy and incoherent.
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You sound upset...
Even with all of my questions I am, like you, still most likely going to be at a Lutheran church as my home. I did not say saved or salvation. I said Born of Spirit.
No no no! Not upset at all! Just incredibly freed from the whole "Am I really doing/feeling enough to be really saved" thing.
Born of the Spirit. Hmmmm. Well, I consider myself Born of the Spirit thanks to my Baptism. I'm not sure if that is a valid LCMS thing. I can say the Holy Spirit led me to that belief, but I completely acknowledge that my sinful nature may have something to do with my beliefs. The biggest thing I love about the LCMS is that I have the freedom to just not know. I have to step out on faith for some things. But it's ok if I doubt or just don't don't know.
The Sunday School lesson I taught this week was on doubting. We used Hezekiah as an example. I told my students that it's ok to doubt, but you should maybe consider falling on your knees in prayer shortly after that. Let's just say my knees are callused;). I go to the LCMS because the real body and blood are there, and there aren't too many rules for me to forget to follow:lol:.
And I'm really not mad/upset. God and I have called a truce for now.
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I am awesome and have NOT raided the Halloween stash. (Only because a) we live in the country and no one comes by and b) they haven't gone trick-or-treating yet). I do institute a candy tax for driving/walking those people around. I accept tootsie rolls and Butterfinger bars as payment;).
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I was recently sent this link about the history of Lutherans and Eastern Orthodox. Catholics may not like it.
http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/tca_luther.aspx
:lol: Mu Catholic friends call me a closet Catholic. If there was an EO church within 60 miles, I'm sure they would feel the same way;).
Look, I found my home, for now, in the Lutheran church. I may feel led to explore different options later, but I'm good for now. Maybe I can address, in a pathetic way, some of your concerns.
The emotion thing. The first thing you have to understand about the LCMS church is that it is German in origin. Speaking in completely stereotypical terms, Germans aren't emotional. Why did this mostly French gal join the LCMS church? Jesus is more than an unreliable emotion I feel. After I left the LAW-only Baptist church, I mostly attended non-denominational churches. The ones I attended were emotion-heavy, complete with tons of emotional music. I like to make food analogies. I got the cheese, sour cream, and bacon-covered potatoes from those non-denom, emotional churches. But I wanted the meat. I craved the meat. The meat was the theology and the real body and blood of Christ.
The salvation thing. I was saved 2,000 years ago when Christ died on the cross. Nothing I could ever do would ever earn that salvation. He comes to me. The Holy Spirit came to me through the waters of Baptism. The Trinity does it all. I just puddle along and try to make God happy. I fail constantly, but through His grace, I am saved. This kinda ties into the emotion thing. When you bring emotion into the equation, you feel as though you have to either feel or do something to be saved. Salvation has already been done. Of course, Salvation is still working to this day. I see it in Communion and Baptism. It is a real, tangible thing to me. Yes, I still get emotional during the Liturgy, but I like to call it feeling God's presence.
I'm not a cradle Lutheran, and I may be misrepresenting the LCMS beliefs, but this is my best understanding.
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Do you mean something like:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln
Maybe a bit more eloquently stated.
ETA: Some people talk to think. Some people think and then talk. Neither is right or wrong, but I have found that sometimes people who think and then talk want the people who talk to think to shut up.
So you ask them a question and when they didn't answer it correctly your advice was to 'shut up' unless they are sure they know the correct answer? Just not to blather on and on. I would worry that they would throw it back at you. "Gee mom, last time you asked us something you told us we should shut up, so I don't think I'll answer this time." (probably just me).
ETA additional: I would not tolerate a child asking and arguing with adults about who they were going to vote for. I would tell them it is rude.
I see your point in your edited post. Of course I do not want them to just shut up if they are talking out their thoughts! I encourage logical discussions. I felt like a bit of a failure in that I did not teach them, in a bipartisan way, what each party stood for and the benefits of each way of thinking. I completely own that failure and am currently taking steps to rectify that situation. In this specific situation, they (the oldest 2) gave short, one sentence answers that were robbed from campaign ads (which I watch with them and try to point out logical fallacies). I want to have valid discussions about important issues. I just refuse to accept canned responses.
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Don't worry about it. Sage words of advice passed from me to my kids include (but are not limited to)
If you don't have anything nice to say, shut up.
Zip it and think about your words before you open your mouth again(I say this when they have just stuck their foot in it, OR when dd13 gets to talking, she often forgets her train of thought)
Also tell dd13 often to get to the point already. She will spin a 10 sec sound bite into a 30 minute story.
This is why I like you;).
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Do you mean something like:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln
Maybe a bit more eloquently stated.
Exactly!!! Of course, I was driving to the 3rd event of the day, it was late, and I was super tired. Eloquence was beyond me at that point:tongue_smilie::lol:.
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Hi Wendi,
Not politics, lol. Not even adults can sanely discuss them.
I see the ages. Whatever they say, smile, and say "that's nice."
Actually, that would work for all ages.:D
:lol: I know, I know! I'm trying to be purposefully vague and non-partisan. We've had an issue with our rather intelligent 9yo pestering people who vote differently. I kinda got fed up with him being disrespectful to adults about politics, specifically. I have absolutely no interest in arguing over which party is better. I was just wondering if I handled the situation somewhat properly.
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I agree with you on this. I'm not looking for a debate, just more information, so I can make a more informed decision on where I stand personally. :)
:grouphug: Oh Honey! I believe you when you say you don't want a debate. Really! These threads just seem to turn into "us vs. them" debates. It's not your fault at all.
ETA: In the interest of furthering the discussion in an intellectual way, I will suggest the book The Language of God by Francis Collins.
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The offspring and I were discussing politics (in general). Despite my best attempts, my kids mimic my political views. I decided to test them, like a good homeschool mom;). I asked them what democrats/republicans stood for. I received canned, inaccurate responses. So I gave them this advice. If you don't know what you're talking about, just shut up. Honestly, if they learn nothing else other than this advice, I will consider myself a somewhat successful parent;).
What sayeth the Hive?
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:lurk5: These discussions are always entertaining;).
I've said it before and I'll say it again. My salvation is not found in Genesis. It's found in Jesus. Period.
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Cute story! Happy Anniversary! I wish you many, many more years of wedded awesomeness.
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Ugh! More :grouphug: and prayers. Not knowing sucks. Waiting sucks. I'm so sorry.