Oh, I know. Apples and Oranges! It's just that I only have ROOM for ONE fruit on my plate. ;) Which is more important? (We've been using the CLE Reading since 1st (so 1st - 3rd). Ds likes it, so that's not a problem. I'm just not sure whether I can keep it AND add Classical Comp. (We just can't keep adding on to our day.)

Help! I'm planning out our 4th grade, and realizing we can't possible DO all the lovely things we'd LIKE to do next year. I'm sure you can relate. It looks like I'll have to make a decision between: Christian Light's Reading 4 and Classical Composition by Selby. Which would you choose? Does CC cover literary analysis at some point? HELP!! :willy_nilly: P.S. We'll also be using Rod and Staff English, FWIW.

I've been finding some good stuff, too! I love The Young Analyzer by McElligott, but I can't find a place to download it. ARgh!!!!! It's right here, but I don't have a "partner login". :banghead: If it's "Google digitalized", why can't I find it on google books? Frustrating.

I remember reading that John Adams entered college at fifteen in McCullough's biography. I don't *think* (but I don't *know*) that it was unusual at the time. All that to say, that entering college at the age of 18 hasn't always been the standard. Or rather, it wasn't unheard of for students to enter at age 15/16. Then again, at that time it wasn't a given that EVERYONE went to college. Indeed, in Lyon's book, he declares the classics track for those entering college as the third plan; but the first track, "Boy's School", is for those going to study for a profession, such as a doctor or lawyer, which didn't need a college education:)

Hours of research-- and a bit of good luck! :) I've been looking for an ideal framework for our hs. I scanned through many books including the phrase "course of study" on google books search, but I wanted something that had Latin, Geography (prominent in classical education, but largely replaced by history in neo-classcial education), clear standards for each grade, that represented an ideal, etc. William Lyon's plan doesn't have copious literature book lists. But for me, that's not a deficit. Indeed, much of the literature that I would like to assign the dc were written after this course of study was drawn up ;) Besides, I have no problem coming up with booklists. It's the general FRAMEWORK I was after. After pouring over this plan, I would think that assigning literature reading during the "hour to an hour and a half previous study" of the plan would provide whatever was lacking in Lit. One could choose from the 1000 Good Books List, AO, or other favorite booklist. Off to dinner!

You're welcome! I'm having a great deal of fun studying it, and may well use it for our homeschool. It's RIGOROUS by today's standards. Algebra begins for 11 year olds! I also appreciate that there is no squeamishness about assigning certain skills/subjects for AGES. It certainly puts to rest the idea that "McGuffey Readers weren't really read on grade level", or other such ideas. Sure, maybe they weren't in some areas, but at least this fellow thought that students were capable of reading the original McGuffey Fourth Reader beginning in the second semester of today's third grade (age 8). Latin begins later than in some circles today, but by the age of 12, students are tackling Caesar. Not too shabby. :) I haven't felt this inspired for a long time. Maybe I'll even start a webpage, just to post his scope and sequence ala AO or OFE. (Okay, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here... After all, there doesn't seem to be that much interest. I'm just looney for old-fashioned, ambitious standards and books. :blush:) Have a great day!

I accidentally posted on the wrong board. Oh dear! Here's the original post. ------ Have you seen this Course of Study? What do you think of it? I've always been curious what a 19th century "classical" education looked like. Now I know! I find it interesting that the first track, for those going into professions (like lawyers and doctors) which didn't require college ;), is close to what we may consider a classical education today. Whereas the classical track, for those entering Harvard, is even more Latin-Centered than LCC! (But not in the early years... Latin and Greek study begins much later...) It's an interesting read, certainly! FWIW, I like his plans for the tiny ones, too. Learning the alphabet at 3, spelling 2 and 3 letter words at 4... Doable!

Have you seen this Course of Study? What do you think of it? I've always been curious what a 19th century "classical" education looked like. Now I know! I find it interesting that the first track, for those going into professions (like lawyers and doctors) which didn't require college ;), is close to what we may consider a classical education today. Whereas the classical track, for those entering Harvard, is even more Latin-Centered than LCC! (But not in the early years... Latin and Greek study begins much later...) It's an interesting read, certainly! FWIW, I like his plans for the tiny ones, too. Learning the alphabet at 3, spelling 2 and 3 letter words at 4... Doable!

Sounds like I need to keep looking for a doctor for my dc.

Does your doc give your dc the 3rd degree when they find out dc homeschool?

They are in the public domain, so they are available to download free from Project Gutenberg. Good luck!

Kolbe

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Thanks for weighing in!

Shameless bump. :lurk5:

Whew! I forgot how quickly the general board flies! If you have an opinion on whether to let dc (in 4th-8th grade) just read their literature/science/history versus requiring written work in these subjects in addition to English/Writing/Reading programs, please vote here. Thanks!

:iagree: I wouldn't worry about the decorating. Buy what you can with $50. Ask others to bring the rest :)

Is the copywork from your literature/science/history books, or not necessarily? Do the students choose passages, or you? (Or both?) I see you use IEW, too, correct? So, just to clarify, do you use an English/Writing program, copywork, etc., then just let them read (and read to them) for literature/science/history? :bigear:

You are not alone! This stuff keeps me up at night! We're all in this together! :) I was going over our options for 4th - 8th with dh, and the two options he likes best are POLAR OPPOSITES in my mind. One is very traditional, with either textbooks or assigned readings with comp./vocab./essay writing. The other is "just reading" for content subjects (Literature/History/Science), but with a formal writing program, grammar program, reading program, etc. I'm going batty deciding between the two. :willy_nilly:

If you use a reading program, like BJU/Abeka/CLE, but assign books for Literature/Science/History that you just read (or read and discuss/narrate), please vote for #1.

What philosophy do you take on reading literature/science/history in grades 4+? I've read dozens of articles, posts, books, etc. over the last few years about homeschooling. The various authors seems to fall into two broad categories. 1) Let them read. 2)Read and write across the curriculum. To which category do you ascribe? For the purposes of this poll, please answer: 1) Let them read. On the whole, you believe in letting children read and enjoy their books for Literature, Science, and History. You may or may not "assign" books (ala TWTM, SL, AO, MFW, HOD, OFE, etc.), or work off a booklist (Robinson, 1000 Good Books, your own, etc.). You may or may not discuss the books with them or require oral narrations. You *do* require written work in other areas (and English, Writing, Reading program, copywork, dictation, handwriting, writing an essay per day ala Robinson, etc.). Your student may *choose* to write about a topic that he/she is reading about for his/her essay, writing assignment in IEW, etc., or you may require copywork from English/Science/History, but, in general, Writing and Literature/Science/History are different subjects in the day for you. 2) Read and Write. You assign written narrations for some books, or use book reports, or follow a literature program (such as Kolbe) or require written work ala TWTM from at least some if not most books in literature, history, science. You believe that reading is not quite "enough" on its own for these subjects, and probably believe in the importance of writing across the curriculum. Your dc probably "read for pleasure" as well, but assigned reading carries with it the expectation of assigned writing. Perhaps you use textbooks for these subjects and require written answers to the questions in the textbooks. Clear as mud? P.S. I wasn't sure on which board to post this poll, so I opted for the General. From the description of General: "For general questions about classical education methods, teaching techniques, readiness, supplemental activities, field trips, assessments, frustrations, online resources, etc. or just for hanging out and chatting!" Thanks! Usually I just think of this as the chat board! :lol:

Thanks, everyone. She called VP. They said it was "too juvenile", but when she asked why, they didn't really say. They also implied it was too late for her 8 year old dd to jump in. IOW, the rep. couldn't articulate how to complete the sequence other than beginning in second. :confused: Seems odd to me.

Thanks! I'll print out your responses for her. :)

Bumping this, in hopes of a response! :lurk5: