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    Another family using Pearl techniques...

    in General Education Discussion Board

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    The entire book is disturbing and heartbreaking. Those are just a few examples.

     

    He also recommends using a large branch or belt on an older child (older being defined as 2+ or so).

     

    Here's the quote:

    For the under one year old, a little, ten- to twelve-inch long, willowy branch (striped of any knots that might break the skin) about one-eighth inch diameter is sufficient. Sometimes alternatives have to be sought. A one-foot ruler, or its equivalent in a paddle, is a sufficient alternative. For the larger child, a belt or larger tree branch is effective.

    Another family using Pearl techniques...

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    To say that TTUAC isn't all bad is like saying that there's some real tidbits of wisdom in Mein Kampf if you can just overlook the evil stuff. Uh. It doesn't work that way. A little bit of evil in a book is too much to make it good at all.

     

    This thread just breaks my heart. I can't stop thinking about it. I almost dare someone to try a read a copy of TTUAC around me.

     

    I completely agree. Thinking about the poor children whose parents use these methods makes me sick.:sad:

    Another family using Pearl techniques...

    in General Education Discussion Board

    Posted · Edited by STEM

    For those of you who believe the Pearls are not that bad, here are some quotes from To Train Up a Child (bolding mine).

     

    TRAINING NOT TO TOUCH

    When my children were able to crawl (in the case of one, roll) around the room, I set up training sessions.

     

    Try it yourself. Place an appealing object where they can reach it, maybe in a "No-no" corner or on an apple juice table (That's where the coffee table once sat). When they spy it and make a dive for it, in a calm voice say, "No, don't touch it." They will already be familiar with the "No," so they will pause, look at you in wonder and then turn around and grab it. Switch their hand once and simultaneously say, "No." Remember, you are not disciplining, you are training. One spat with a little switch is enough. They will again pull back their hand and consider the relationship between the object, their desire, the command and the little reinforcing pain. It may take several times, but if you are consistent, they will learn to consistently obey, even in your absence.

    Through this process of association the child will involuntarily recall the pain every time he hears the word "No." There comes a time when your word alone is sufficient to gain obedience.
    One particularly painful experience of nursing mothers is the biting baby. My wife did not waste time finding a cure. When the baby bit, she pulled hair (an alternative has to be sought for baldheaded babies).

    One father tells of his training sessions with each new toddler. He sets aside an evening for "booty" camp, which is a boot camp for toddlers. The child of ten to twelve months is left alone to become deeply interested in a toy or some delightful object. From across the room or just inside the other room, the father calls the child. If he ignores the call, the father goes to him and explains the necessity of immediately coming when called, and then leads him to the father's chair. The child thus led through these paces is being programmed.

     

    He is returned to the toy and left alone long enough to again become engrossed. Another call, and, if no response, the father gives a patient explanation and demonstration of the desired response. The parent, having assured himself of the child's understanding, once again sets up the situation and calls the child. This time, if there is not an immediate response the child is lightly spanked and lectured. The father continues this throughout the evening until the child readily and immediately responds to a summons. Thereafter, until the child leaves home, he is expected to drop everything and come upon the first call. As long as the parents remain consistent, the child will consistently obey. This "obedience training" is carried out in the utmost patience and concentration. The spanking should not be viewed as punishment, but as reinforcement to commands.

    A newborn soon needs training.
    As the mother, holding her child, leans over the crib and begins the swing downward, the infant stiffens, takes a deep breath and bellows. The battle for control has begun in earnest. Someone is going to be conditioned. Either the tender-hearted mother will cave in to this self-centered demand (thus training the child to get his way by crying) or the infant is allowed to cry (learning that crying is counterproductive). Crying because of genuine physical need is simply the infant's only voice to the outside world; but crying in order to manipulate the adults into constant servitude should never be rewarded.
    One of our girls who developed mobility early had a fascination with crawling up the stairs. At four months she was too unknowing to be punished for disobedience. But for her own good, we attempted to train her not to climb the stairs by coordinating the voice command of "No" with little spats on the bare legs. The switch was a twelve-inch long, one-eighth-inch diameter sprig from a willow tree.
    Clearly, the lines were drawn. The battle was in array. Someone was going to submit his will and learn his lesson. Either the father would confirm that this one-year-old could rule his parents or the parents would confirm their authority. Everyone's happiness was at stake, as well as the soul of the child.
    Keep the standards high--as high as the person of Christ. Let the guilt come, and then, while they are yet too young to understand, absolve it by means of the rod
    A child can be turned back from the road to hell through proper spankings
    If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. Defeat him totally. Accept no conditions for surrender. No compromise.
    Otherwise, tell him to bend over on the bed or couch; and while he is in this position give some choice admonition. You have his undivided attention. Slowly begin to spank. If you go too fast, you may not allow time enough for the inner transformation to occur.
    If he continues to show defiance by jerking around and defending himself, or by expressing anger, then she will wait a moment and again lecture him and again spank him. When it is obvious he is totally broken

    Another family using Pearl techniques...

    in General Education Discussion Board

    Posted · Edited by STEM

    Ugh...I have dogs that need to be trained. But I have children that need to be loved and taught but not in a million years will I ever see the need to train a child.

    I would never even train an animal with the techniques the Pearls suggest using on children.

     

    The thought of children growing up being treated like that just makes my soul weep.

    I agree; it is so sad.:sad: The Pearls are sick, twisted people.

    Can get get a list of all Chrisitian based Biology programs/publishers...

    in Logic Stage & Middle Grade Challenges

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    Would anything be possible to combine a 5th grader with a 1st and 2nd grader? I can do them separate if needed but I would rather not.

     

     

     

    Would a 5th grader be better to combine with 9th grade or the 2 youngers? All 4 will be in Biology next year and I just do not want to do 3 separate levels, ya know?

     

    You could do Science Shepherd Biology and Life Science. The Life Science has almost all the same topics as the Biology, the information is just simpler.

    Are these topics normally in an Algebra 2 course?

    in High School and Self-Education Board

    Posted · Edited by STEM

    But isn't AoPS for advanced math people? So, not necessarily a "typical" algebra 2 course?

     

    Yes, however much of the difficulty of AoPS is the depth and not necessarily different topics (although they do cover topics outside the normal scope).

     

    For example, within sequences and series, they cover arithmetic sequences and series, geometric sequences and series, telescoping sequences and series, recursive series, Sigma notation, and nested sums, plus a few other topics.

     

    ETA: Sequences, series, and induction definitely are difficult. Those three chapters are considered among the most difficult in Intermediate Algebra.

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