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  1. I hope today went okay at your home and that your son was able to reach a decision that will work for your son.
  2. The scout camp my kids' troop was to attend was cancelled. Another kid was to attend two residential on-campus camps at different colleges, to look at different programs/schools and both were cancelled. My relative, who lives in NC, has kids who attend and work at a camp in SC, which will be opening next week (not sure of date, but sure of the opening) with restrictions/precautions/rules.
  3. I hope rechecking Baylor's aid package brought good news. (I'm going to bring up gap year again, so make sure you look at the amount of merit aid vs financial aid, since those are handled differently for gap years.) I can understand 6 hours as being outside your comfort zone for this son. My in-laws live 6 hours away and I want at least 3_day weekend when we go there. I have done an overnight trip for a special occasion, but that is once/twice in a couple of decades. (Google maps does a decent job of estimating how long a trip will take, especially if you put in the time of your trip.) So, it looks like you are down to Baylor, assuming the money is right, and Austin College. Congrats choosing between 2 is doable. It looks like Baylor has a weekly support group for students with autism. Look up BARC, Baylor Autism R.... center. I found a PDF for Austin College professors that said 2 percent of students there, I think, have autism and listed possible accomodations. I also found that the director of academic support center received a certificate in something to do with autism academics a few years ago, but no idea if she is still there. Our internet is out, and I can't link from my phone. It sounds like your husband is sold on Baylor, and your son is leaning that way. Based on what you have said about each and Baylor's 3.0 requirement, I would talk to your husband about a gap year for your son. I would base it on wanting your son to have a full, on campus experience for freshman year, which may not be possible this fall. Our local school has 10 percent of seniors taking a gap year; and gap years aren't normally common here. You then use this year for training, therapy, whatever will help put your son in best position to be successful at Baylor. During a gap year, he can't take college classes, but there are a lot of online introduce computer classes he could do. Or, your husband could work with him to see if he has the (whatever) it takes to be a successful CS major. Like I said I am a driver, so I would think nothing of driving my son to some of the support group meetings at Baylor during the gap year if they would allow him to come during the gap year. Good luck making the decision.
  4. Last post. I agree with other poster that your son could use some support in college, but I'm not sure you have time to determine which school would offer the best support program for him. A gap year to to work on his "issues" with a professional in your community could be a way to go. Baylor allows a gap year and it sounds like it is close enough to your home that he continue to utilitze the local support program is Baylor does not have one. Deferring Your Admission I was admitted to Baylor. Can I defer? Students offered admission to Baylor University may request a deferral of enrollment before June 1, which must be approved by the Undergraduate Admissions Office. Deferrals are intended to be granted for intentional occasions in which the student chooses not to begin his or her studies at Baylor University in the term for which he or she was admitted. Examples of intentional deferrals may include, but are not limited to: a religious activity, community service project, or world travel. Deferrals are not granted for financial reasons. Deferral requests are evaluated on their merits, and are not automatically approved simply because they were submitted on time. * For the incoming Fall 2020 class, we will consider deferral requests due to the impact of COVID-19. Deadlines and Instructions First-year students admitted under Early Decision, Early Action or Regular Decision are allowed to apply for deferred enrollment; however, this option is not available to transfers. Deferrals are granted for students wishing to defer for 1 (fall to spring) or 2 (fall to fall) semesters. Requests for deferral should be made no later than June 1. If you are interested in deferring, you must complete the Deferral Request form, which is located in your goBAYLOR account under ‘Cancel Admission’. The form will ask about your plans for the next year and will confirm you will not be enrolling in a degree-granting program or coursework at another college/university. Before your deferral request may be reviewed, you must submit your $500 enrollment deposit in goBAYLOR. Baylor will provide notification of deferral approval or denial. If the deferral is granted, Baylor will communicate your next steps in the spring prior to your new entry term. If a deferral request is denied, you will need to reapply for a future semester. Terms for Approved Deferrals: You may not submit deposits or hold spaces at any other institutions. You may not enroll at another institution during the deferral period or complete college coursework. You may not apply for admission to other colleges or universities during the deferral period. You must notify all other institutions to which you have gained admission of your decision to defer enrollment at Baylor. Terms for Approved Deferral Financial Aid & Scholarships: Financial Aid: If you are interested in need-based financial aid, you will need to reapply for aid for the new term by completing the FAFSA and CSS Profile by February 1 during your deferral year. Scholarships tied to Invitation to Excellence, Distinguished Scholars Day and/or a Baylor2 program will be honored when you enroll as a freshman student. Departmental scholarships will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Special Program Status If you have been accepted into the Honors College, Baylor Business Fellows, Science Research Fellows, Aviation Sciences (Professional Pilot concentration), Music or Theatre program, you will need to notify them of your intent to defer enrollment. Housing If you have received a housing assignment, it will be void and you will submit a new Housing Application when you plan to enroll. Expectations We regard an admissions deferral as a mutual commitment. We agree to hold a spot for you at Baylor, and you agree to enter at the time of your new start term. Students planning on applying to other colleges during their deferment period should not seek an admissions deferral.
  5. This is what Austin College requires for its Compass Curriculum. Experience Experience connections between your liberal arts education and life beyond the classroom, providing pathways to meaningful careers and community participation. One approved Applied Learning Experience Three January Term courses First Year Seminar (Communication/Inquiry) Engage Engage new perspectives and prepare yourself to participate in a diverse and global society. One course in Global Diversity One course in Systems of Power, Privilege, and Inequality Competency in a language other than English Discover Discover the vast array of knowledge and the modes of inquiry used in different academic areas to further your understanding of the natural world and human cultures. Four courses in the Humanities Two courses in the Social Sciences Two courses in the Sciences, with at least one lab Develop Develop foundational skills and habits that support a liberal arts education and the growth of you as a whole student who is prepared to navigate challenges in a fast-changing world. One course in Foundation Writing; Two courses in Advanced Writing Quantitative Literacy Lifetime Sports Focus Focus your learning by challenging yourself in two different fields that will cultivate complementary intellectual approaches needed to succeed in our ever changing and diverse world. Major Minor (or second major) (will your son be open to a required minor or second major) ... Computer Science major Computer science courses, need to scroll down some
  6. For some reason the Major requirements at Baylor would not open on my computer, but I'm sure you can find these. Here is the Common Core for a BA iin computer science from Baylor. I can't tell if the BS degree has a common core. Common Course Requirements Chapel (zero credit hours) Creative Arts Experience (zero credit hours) ENG 2310: American Literary Cultures (3 hours) HIS 1300: The United States in Global Perspective (3 hours) PSC 1387: The U.S. Constitution, Its Interpretation, and the American Political Experience (3 hours) REL 1310: Christian Scriptures (3 hours) REL 1350: Christian Heritage (3 hours) Distribution Lists Communication and Media Literacy (3 hours) Contemporary Social Issues (3 hours) Fine Arts (3 hours) Foreign Language and Culture (8-12 hours) Formal Reasoning (3 hours) Literature in Context (3 hours) Research Writing (3 hours) Scientific Method I (4 hours) Scientific Method II (3 hours) Lifetime Fitness (1-4 hour)
  7. I agree. It seems all three schools have a lot of required courses outside of major classes, so I would suggest you/he write out a four-year course plan for each school. Trinity University. Here is the computer science requirements. Bachelor of Science in Computer Science Requirements for the degree of Bachelor of Science with a major in Computer Science are as follows: I. Departmental requirements: 49 credit hours including: A. Core Principles: CSCI 1120, 1320, 1321, 1323, 2320, 2321, 2322, 3320, 3321, 3322. B. Departmental Colloquium: Four semesters of CSCI 2094. C. Curricular Groups: At least three hours from each of the following groups: Applications Group: CSCI 3311, 3342, 3343, 3344, 3352, 3353, 3366, 3-95 Systems Group: CSCI 3323, 3-96 Design Group: CSCI 3312, 3345, 3362, 3-97 D. Capstone: One of the following options: Senior Software Project: CSCI 4385 and 4386. Senior Thesis: CSCI 3398, 4398, and 4399 plus additional requirements listed in the section "Senior Thesis" below. E. Electives: Additional upper-division computer science hours sufficient to total at least 49 credit hours. II. Mathematics requirement: Six hours from the following: any MATH course (excluding 1301, 1310, 1330, 3194, 3195); CSCI 2324; PHIL 3340, 3343. III. University requirements: completion of all other required elements of the Pathways curriculum and at least 124 hours Pathways has six curricular requirements that provide a foundation in the liberal arts and sciences for all bachelor's degrees awarded by Trinity University. Here is the Pathways requirements at Trinity. There are 6 parts of the pathways, but more than one classes is needed for most of the pathways. (It seems that some classes can meet both major requirements and Pathways requirements. ) The First Year Experience All students must complete one FYE during their first semester at Trinity. The FYE gives incoming students an introduction to the demands of university-level reading, writing, and thinking within an interdisciplinary experience. In it, students begin to acquire the skills and disciplinary perspectives necessary to navigate complex questions in their post-graduate lives. Through extensive engagement in a topic of widespread or enduring significance, the First Year Experience (FYE) is designed for students to analyze sophisticated texts and ideas. The FYE includes substantial instruction in written and oral communication skills, offering a once-per-week common learning experience attended by all enrolled students and all participating faculty. All FYE courses offer a once-per-week common learning experience attended by all enrolled students and all participating faculty. These common learning experiences feature lectures by faculty teaching in the course or by visiting colleagues from Trinity or other institutions. Common learning experiences also include field trips, panel discussions, and films. Together, faculty lead discussion and teach writing in individual sections no larger than sixteen students each. Approaches to Creation and Analysis Students must successfully complete one course from each category at Trinity.* In order to master the skills of analysis, research, and creation, students should demonstrate the ability to use disciplinary approaches characteristic of: The Humanities courses that enable students to understand the human condition through art, literature, history, philosophy, or religion The Arts & Creative Disciplines (DOES YOUR SON LIKE THE ARTS, can he find a class he will do well in) courses that enable students to create aesthetic artifacts or performances The Social & Behavioral Sciences courses that enable students to engage in the scientific study of human behavior The Natural Sciences courses that enable students to engage in the scientific study of the natural world Quantitative Disciplines courses that enable students to solve problems within a structured mathematical framework The Core Capacities 1. Written, Oral, and Visual Communication Students should demonstrate the ability to communicate effectively in a variety of contexts and across a variety of media. Requirements Students must fulfill written, oral, and visual communications requirements by successfully completing: two designated courses that require extensive writing and provide substantial instruction in written communication; two designated courses that require significant oral presentation supported by visual products and provide substantial instruction in oral and visual communication. 2. Digital Literacy Students should demonstrate the ability to investigate questions, solve problems, and engage in artistic expression through digital technology, and to evaluate its design, function, and cultural impact. Requirements Students must successfully complete one course designed to provide substantial instruction in and engagement with principles and tools of digital information. 3. Engaged Citizenship Students should demonstrate the ability to identify and articulate the perspectives and values of diverse peoples, groups, and cultures around the globe. With the ability to communicate in a foreign language at the intermediate level or above, students should demonstrate the ability to gather and evaluate information from sources that facilitate cross-cultural understanding. Requirements Students must fulfill requirements in global awareness, understanding diversity, and a foreign language by successfully completing: one course addressing the history and culture of a region other than the United States; one course addressing diversity issues involving race, class, gender, and ethnicity within the United States; an intermediate level or higher course in a foreign language sequence, or demonstration of equivalent proficiency by examination. .............. The Interdisciplinary Clusters Requirements Students must successfully complete three courses, totaling no fewer than 9 credit hours, from three disciplines. These courses may be structured as a part of a faculty-designed cluster or a student-designed learning experience that meets the guidelines of the University Curriculum Council. Courses in the Interdisciplinary Cluster must be taken at Trinity University, with one exception: one course from a Trinity-approved Study Abroad program may be applied to a student’s Interdisciplinary Cluster with pre-approval by the Interdisciplinary Cluster Steering Committee. Only one course in the cluster may be used to fulfill the requirements of the student’s primary major. .... The Major Candidates for a baccalaureate degree must fulfill the requirements for a major as listed in the Courses of Study Bulletin. Here is where to find the requirements for a computer science degree and course descriptions. Fitness Education Students must successfully complete one approved fitness education course. (I definitely have met people who would refuse to take a pe class in college)
  8. I agree with all this. Other possible ideas for the list might be the ability to live off campus. Trinity requires students to live on campus for 3 years. Are students required to attend chapel? Plus have him write down a couple of things he wants to do in college, and see if the schools have those activities/opportunities. For one of my kids attending and participating in athletic events was a big deal; another never went to an athletic event in 4 years. However, that kid was on the e-sports team. Your son doesn't have to stick to the list, he is just brainstorming. One of the selling points for this university for my oldest was for a co-op program (even mentioned it in scholarship essays), but changed mind freshman year and ended up interning at multiple companies instead.
  9. In my opinion every school is different, because they are in different places, have different students, have different faculty/facilities/curriculum. However, I think most kids can be happy/succeed at most schools. How long does it take to get to Baylor? Austin? Trinity? I wouldn't even think about the ones that cost more at this point. Will your son take a car? Or will you take him there and back? Do you know people at each school that he could ride with if he wanted to come home for a weekend? My kids have all gone to the same college, which has lots of students from our area, so getting a ride home is never an issue. It is about 3 hours away, so I can go there and back for the day if I want to/need to. "A few thousand a year" adds up when you multiply by 4, so that seems a reason to drop Baylor to me. "I am just saying it might be harder to work through the bureaucracy of the large university and connect with. people and professors like one could at a small school." The school my kids attend is bigger than Baylor and they simply email a professor (or go to office hours or stop by the office) if they have a question, need a recommendation, etc. Their cousin, a freshman at the same college this year, had a hard time in engineering physics (due to not taking physics in high school), who went went to the professor for assistance and was invited to do homework in the professor's office daily. (This did stop when classes went online.) P.S. I would not worry that you know a person who went there that wasn't a good student since you know others who are good students.
  10. Okay, I read your post and all the replies and this is a good jumping off point to what I want to add to this discussion. I never knew that a BA in computer science was a thing until I saw it mentioned a few years ago on this board. At the school mentioned back then, BA and BS students take the exact same computer science classes. From the school website: There is no difference in the computer science course content between the (BS) EECS and (BA) CS Majors-- the difference is what other subjects you'd like to study. If you prefer greater flexibility in your coursework, or have an interest double-majoring, then the CS Major might be a good choice. There is greater opportunity to explore other departments, such as economics, statistics, business, and music. If you have an interest in electrical engineering, or have and interest in double-majoring in another engineering major, the EECS Major may be better suited for you. I would drop Baylor for this particular student, because it looks like a 3.0 is required to keep a scholarship there. CS classes are hard because of the skills and time needed, so how smart a student is or how well they test isn't always a good indication of success in CS classes. It looks to me as Austin and Trinity just require a 2.0 to keep scholarships. That is a lot more doable. Trinity offers a BS. I think Austin offers a BA, but I can't find where I read that. That said I don't think either requires much math. Austin requires a stat class and calc 1. At Trinity it looks like your son could take 2 logic classes to meet their math requirements there. From the bulletin: CS Math requirements. Six hours from the following: any MATH course (excluding 1301, 1310, 1330, 3194, 3195); CSCI 2324; PHIL 3340, 3343. My oldest has a childhood friend who graduated with a computer science degree from small liberal arts school that only required 2 math classes; the friend is now a software engineer for a global software company with more than 10,000 employees. Trinity requires more CS classes than Austin, 49 hours of cs classes We visited Trinity years ago when my oldest, who is now a software engineer, was a sophomore in high school, however, it was a general tour while we were on vacation in San Antonio. It was not a fit for my rule-following kid, but one thing I remember was they talked about making your own major. I'm not sure how possible that is, but I did see that Trinity offers a computing as a second major that requires 34 hours of computer science classes. In reading the Austin catalog, it looks like a CS degree may only require 8 CS classes, so there would be plenty of room for other classes. Based on the BA and the low number of classes required, I would want to talk to the CS department and see where their graduates work after graduation and as what. Community college can be great, but it does not always make sense. This can especially be true if your student already has scholarship offers that will make the school affordable. It does not look like Trinity will accept transfer cc credit to count toward degree requirements. It does look like Austin will accept CC credit. Another thing to consider, that I read here years ago, is taking all or a lot of general ed credits at CC will mean your student will only have major classes, which may be harder than general ed, for their school gpa for scholarship and graduation purposes. You can look at transfer equivalency charts for both schools on their websites. I would not wait another year and apply again for the reason you mentioned, plus I'm not sure having more choices would be good because paralysis of analysis can be real. It is hard to truly understand a kid, a situation just through reading another's posts on the internet. If you think your son needs more time for counseling for autism, to mature, to gain life skills, whatever, a gap year is possible at Trinity. I could not find anything on the Austin website. If a deferral is approved .... Financial aid: If you are interested in need-based financial aid, you will need to reapply for aid for the new term by completing the FAFSA and CSS Profile by February 15 during your deferral year. (This would concern me if your son is receiving FA) Merit scholarships: If you received an academic merit scholarship, your award will also be deferred to the future entry term. If you did not receive a merit scholarship, you will not be reconsidered for awards in the next term alongside the new applicant pool. (if he has merit awards, this is good news.) In your shoes, I would want son to take advantage of on-campus tutoring, counseling, whatever, to help the transition to college go well. I would want to know if they have any special support for students on the spectrum. I would spend this weekend talking with your son. I would talk about price; how close in price are the two schools. Location: How close to home are the schools? Support programs. Gut feeling or strong preference. I have a kid that communicates hard stuff better in writing than through talking face to face, so that might be an option if your son doesn't want to talk. P.S. I would tell your husband that there is no guarantee that your son will stay interested in computer science, so there is no need to apply to more schools.
  11. My oldest, who lives far away from us, is working from home for the rest of the year and has a long-standing ticket booked to come home for a long weekend this summer. We are thinking about moving the return flight to later in summer/Labor Day, so will have more time as a family. I'm okay with the plan if it happens; I would not be okay with a multi-day solo drive. My sibling and oldest flew in March to retrieve stuff from dorm room. Their flight was empty. They rented a SUV and drove it college town; spent that night with my college kids; and then drove it to their home.
  12. Pre-ACA/Obamacare I would agree with you, but I'm not sure I do any more for a young, single person with no assets. If he was diagnosed with a serious, long-lasting illness, wouldn't he be able to sign up on the exchange at that point since pre-existing clauses no longer apply? Or would he have to pay more monthly if he now had a pre-existing condition? I don't know. HIPPA did away with pre-existing being a problem if you had continuous coverage for the previous 12 months, so you could change jobs even if someone in the family had a health issue. Pre-ACA/Obamacare we were able to swap between high-deductible plans with pre-existing conditions, but it did lead to a higher monthly cost. Different people have different risk tolerance, so it is possibly something your son should look into for the time being. I saw your comment about not wanting him to do without insurance due to COVID. I understand Washington has been hard hit, but I didn't think that was the case for people his age. The stories I've read about infected college students have not required hospitalization, they have just quarantined at home with normal stuff you do to treat your symptoms. (Not arguing with you, or saying he should go without coverage.) I would suggest he/you look for an insurance broker to see if your state has cheaper options/plans than he can find on the exchange. We have done that in the past a few times, but it was not an option here when we joined the healthshare. My college graduate is so glad to have great, company-sponsored health-insurance after a "lifetime" of being on individual high-deductible, state, catastrophic, health-share plans.
  13. Can you audit the class and still qualify for insurance? Can you take a pass/fail class?
  14. Now it does a multi-quote. Does this mean a person at the college or the college website? I would check again with whichever one he didn't check last time. I looked into this when oldest went to college. It didn't make sense economically for us, but it could for your son. Okay, I'm going to ask an odd question. Does he have to get a bachelor's before the master's? I have a relative who always planned to be a flight attendant. She graduated in a recession when no airlines were hiring. She had a general business degree, so she got general business job. Soon after she went back to school part-time in her new state for a master's in accounting and became a CPA. I can't remember if she needed to take a few classes before applying for her master's degree, but the whole thing took less then 3 (possibly 2 years) for her master's and CPA. I do know she took only 2 accounting classes for her undergrad degree.
  15. We have done COBRA too; my 22-year-old was a COBRA baby, because we wanted to stay on that Fortune 500 plan since I was already pregnant when my husband started his own-company. At that time, COBRA had the provision that you didn't have to join right away. You could join anytime in the (x) months after you left a job with health insurance. I can't remember the details of how it worked or how long that time period was, but it was worth looking into it. It could give your son more time to figure out an option or at least get to 2021 without a high deductible. COBRA is extremely expensive generally, but sometimes it makes sense.
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