I am knitting a baby blanket now, ironically, lol. No one is ruffling feathers by saying something contrary to the many pc comments on these threads. How is natural birth control feather ruffling? Why is it offensive to say that hbc is not great if you value optimal health? None of that is controversial, just true. How is disagreeing with abortion more feather ruffling than agreeing with it? Just a matter of opinion. I haven’t seen much dialogue, just agreement with this or that. Dialogue may include alternative opinions. That is what makes interesting dialogue. Put you hands over your ears and eyes. Other people’s thoughts and opinions are just frightful, I know :))

Oh dear, I was being too cheeky, you didn’t get it. I was referring to what happens to the baby, fetus, embryo (whatever you refer to a child as), after abortion.

In other words, “in most cases; usually an indicator”. A general statement about a particular group is…generally speaking, a blanket statement:)) What are we even talking about here? I mean, come on.

Your comment would be poignant if those who oppose abortion and are pro-life would speak for themselves and prove my statement wrong. And yes, I believe you know better:)

Right, you love those little babies to pieces, wink wink. Not all pregnant teens are unhealthy, unstable, or have unsupportive environments. That is certainly a stereotypical blanket statement. Yes, birth control is a good thing. Even better if it is natural and not harmful:), which was my overreaching point.

First, calm down. You don’t need expletives to speak (write), or make a point. Birth control is great, I agree. It is great that you are trying to help people (not sure if using them as internet fodder is great, but whatever). My point wasn’t about you or abortion, just that HBC isn’t good for teens anyway, and that she can control pregnancy naturally, so… win win. Your thread minions flipped their lid because I said HBC was…unhealthy, gasp. Poor people aren’t just chemical rabbits and deserve natural, healthy alternatives to the status quo (I am sure you are offering hbc for free). I think that is the deeper issue. I look at it like McDonald’s vs fresh food. I just don’t think it is fair that the poor teen in a dysfunctional family gets hbc, with no knowledge of anything else. I am sure you read the whole thread. It is that simple.

Yes, even planned babies experience nasty things in life. I just don’t think you have a clear point. If we were to focus on *poor innocent babies*, and not whether a teens life would be “ruined”, then none of you would love abortion so much, nor would this thread even been created, as it concerns a teen and her mother and a refusal of bc (umm to prevent the birth of a baby…) I didn’t see anything mentioned about the poor innocent babies from the OP.

No, you likely wouldn’t change my mind. However, I do love learning, reading, and researching. If you have any useful “scientific” information to negate, or add to the three points I brought up (of course, there are more, but I didn’t want to overwhelm you:) then, why not share them? No one needs a degree to understand what endocrine disrupters are. Bone density is affected by use of bc. It is a carcinogen. These are not fallacies, nor propaganda. Since you need government approval so dearly, there are plenty of .gov websites that concur with these points. To say these things are factually untrue is your own ignorance. An OBGYN influencer? Are you kidding? Yeah, people should check with one of those, lol. What is sinister about natural birth control methods to you? What makes synthetic hormonal birth more righteous than good ole’ nature? Both forms are fallible, but one of them is actually harmful. I think you are simply biased towards the messenger (that’s fine:), because denial of the message is psychotic. Have you ever even thought to look into bc, or try to understand anything about it? Although my questions are rhetorical, and a response isn’t necessary, wouldn’t it be wiser to simply comment with actual reasoning as opposed to your emotions?

As do I. I wouldn’t suggest a teen to have a baby with a random teen who won’t support her or marry her. My point, though, is that babies don’t ruin lives. There are worse things that could happen to a person, or a teenager, rather. I just think some people act like it is the worst thing in the world. Of course, there are better moments in life to produce children and in better circumstances. At the end of the day, babies aren’t the life altering nightmares that some people act like they are, even for a teen.

Well, I am not religious nor do I belong to any organized religion, nor did I bring morality into the conversation. I would likely find religion more immoral that birth control:) My point is that hormonal birth control is no good for the body. It is unhealthy. 1. Hormonal birth control acts as an endocrine disruptor. 2. Hormonal birth control affects the development of bones in women (bone density). This is why is is especially terrible for a young teenager. She hasn’t even finished developing yet. 3. Hormonal birth control is classified as a Class 1 Carcinogen. The sad thing is that the longer a woman takes HBC, her chances of certain cancers increase by 60%. Overall, her chances of developing cancer (breast, colorectal, etc.) increased significantly more than a woman who has never had HBC. My point is that birth control in this manner is not good at all. I would never allow my child to put this in her body. However, there are natural methods of bc that cause NO harm. I am not sure how you could pervert my comment and make it about religious propaganda, lol. I haven’t said anything against the concept of birth control, just that there are healthier ways to approach it. Maybe the mother mentioned in the OP was concerned in the same way. I have never been to a natural family planning class. So strange that you put that there, I am not sure I understand what that is supposed to mean:) No one has to teach common sense. Paternalistic? That is so ironic that you say that because it is the woman who is changing the chemistry of her body by using birth control, NOT the man. Natural bc methods are more pro-woman than the synthetic bc that you campaign for, as it does not in any way harm the woman. Don’t you find that ironic?

Well, good for them. Hormonal birth control is very unhealthy, especially for a teenager who is still developing. I would never put my daughter on birth control, ever. Some people may realize that there are natural birth control methods, that are, well, natural, and completely healthy and harm free to adults and developing teenagers. So, perhaps the mother/daughter are considering this as the best option. Maybe she wouldn’t mind having a baby. I don’t know how old the young lady is, but the desire to have children is…natural, especially for an older teenager (assuming you aren’t talking about a 13 year old). Babies don’t ruin lives, but I guess that is dependent on one’s perception. I have never used birth control, thankfully. After 18 years of marriage, we have only used natural methods, and I have three planned children. So, I think that teenagers could use real sex education, especially a young girl. Learning and tracking one’s ovulation cycle and applying that knowledge, is a lot different than swallowing a synthetic hormone, which teaches no responsibility towards sex or one’s body.

We don’t have an age limit because we don’t allow sleepovers…ever. Why should sleepovers even be a thing? I can’t find a good reason to have them. Besides, I don’t believe that *most* children are “predators”. I think children are curious and that can cause issues (girls and boys have potential to encourage undesirable behavior, and I am as leery of young girls as a parent to a daughter would be of boys, that’s natural.). I am more concerned with the parents more than the children anyway. I am not sure this was ever a good practice, or how this solidifies friendships or “helps” children socially. As a 90’s kid, we had so many sleepovers, and even the “good” kids got into shenanigans. Like, prank calling the police…not a good idea:) So, not every outcome is sexual. FWIW, boys and girls are made to “like” each other and procreate. I don’t think this is missed on kids. They get it, so certain things are inevitable. Kudos to the parents that have a hell-no approach to putting the two together. It doesn’t even make sense. Absolutely nothing wrong with boy-girl friendships, but a sleepover…forget about it.

Yes, I remember researching Aprica when I first got pregnant. Maybe I am wrong, but it seems that I couldn’t get them in the US. Maybe that has changed or didn’t look hard enough? Thank you, though, as I hadn’t forgotten about that one:)

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Both of my parents were in Hospice care, but I can’t remember much about my father because I was a young teenager. Last year my mother spent two weeks in Hospice care. She had brain cancer which disabled her speaking ability and walking ability. My brother and I struggled to take care of her (we had to do everything). It was very difficult to change her and keep her clean, so we needed Hospice dearly. They helped us lift her and clean her as needed. However, we didn’t use hospice until we absolutely needed it, and the folks that attended my mother were lovely. They also were really good at keeping us aware of changes in her health and how long she had to live, like we knew what breathing patterns to look for (I guess the stages one goes through when passing) that would indicate a transition. She didn’t receive morphine until the night she passed. If your mother is still walking, it seems early for Hospice, but surely that is different for everyone.

I am looking for a stroller that is all terrain because our neighborhood is very hilly, and the roads aren’t super smooth, and we also frequent parks…a lot. Also, it would be great to not do the whole car seat-stroller-thing. I would just like to leave the car seat…in the car, and use the stroller by itself from birth. But alas, most models want you to attach a car seat until 6 mos. I hated taking a car seat in and out. Plus, our SUV is tall for me, so I can’t imagine taking a car seat out every time to use a stroller. I haven’t thought about storage, lol. Hmm. If I think about it, that is a concern. My plan was to store it in our SUV. However, it just dawned on me that we will have to have the third row seat up for all three children, and our trunk space with the third row up is extremely small. So, yeah…I will have to think about stroller size. If you have any small stroller recommendations that would be great:)

I have considered the Nuna, mainly because it is “non-toxic”. Can it handle All-Terrain?

Thank you. I am pulled towards the Baby Jogger. The City Sights is supposed to be All-Terrain, which is a huge factor. How does the City Select deal with terrain other than “city” terrain?

I need a baby stroller, but I can’t decide. I am curious if anyone has had experience with any of these strollers, and what you think of the quality/functionality. 1. Silver Cross Reef (my favorite aesthetically, but not sure if it is worth the $$$) 2. Joovy Hub 3. Cybex Balios S lux (pre-2023 is fine, it’s cheaper anyway) 4. Mamas and Papas Ocarro 5. Maxi Cosi Zelia (a budget friendly choice, but I have read so many conflicting opinions on quality, so…I dunno) 6. Baby Jogger City Sights I am open to other options or suggestions. What has worked for you? I really would like a stroller that is from birth (meaning you don’t have to use a cot or car seat).

What’s Qustodio?

We haven’t even considered a phone for my soon-to-be 12 year old, never mind the 10 year old. Any communication with their friends can be done through our cell phone. They have an iPad under heavy supervision. No communication or social media allowed. My eldest, who will be in 6th grade, will have a laptop provided by the school he will be attending next year (first time not homeschooling:). I can’t imagine that any social media (fb, insta, etc) would be allowed. So again, not going to be an avenue for communication. I guess we are old-school. I am not sure how a cell phone is necessary before driving? I get it can be good for safety, though. I guess it can go both ways, but mine will have to be behind the times:))

Don’t you think willfully misunderstood? I have met so many people with this disposition/ignorance. I don’t think that the peoples (English, Spanish, French, Dutch…all Western Nations….and some African tribes) who are responsible for slavery want to take responsibility, or feel responsible for slavery. There are a lot of folks who rationalize slavery as “for the better”. If they didn’t justify slavery in this way, then their own matrix/world falls apart. The reparations owed African-Americans would certainly have a catastrophic impact on the American economy. So, this misguided mindset will never be corrected, by and large. Reparations are often considered unconstitutional (for African Americans). So, no, I wouldn’t be shocked at a response like this. It is a necessary mindset (from a government/society perspective, not mine). Otherwise, the American government would be responsible to right the wrong. She is amongst many. If I had a dollar for every time I have heard someone say racism doesn’t exist… I probably would have had to educate her. I don’t think I could have kept a closed mouth on that one.

Perhaps you weren’t being serious, but the she is correct in her terminology (or concept rather). Alexis de Tocqueville wrote concerning Tyranny of the Majority.

Oh wow, thank you. I had no idea 🫢. I will certainly check on a replacement piece! I guess now I will start hand washing them 😞

I put mine in the dishwasher (for better or for worse). Sometimes I hand wash, but not consistently. They still look beautiful, and I haven’t noticed rust at all. Some of mine are not-so-pretty on the inside bottom because I accidentally left them on the stove while the water boiled out, but other than than they are still quite lovely. I do clean them with stainless steel cleaner (all-clad sells its own) every once in a while. However, I will say that, ironically, the other day, I was hand washing one of my pots and noticed them rim felt a little sharp. None of the other ones feel that way so that is interesting about the lawsuit. All-Clad says they are dishwasher safe, but I actually have noticed the sharpening on the rim-