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@8filltheheart @RootAnn I found the textbook, the workbook, Latin reader, Scribblers, Sculptors, and Scribes, and 38 Latin Stories. All are listed as things that accompany Wheelock's Latin.
I don't mind buying all of the necessary resources, but is there a guide somewhere that integrates them?
ETA: I've written my own guides/lesson plans before, but I really know nothing about Latin.
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1 hour ago, 8filltheheart said:
My dd taught herself Latin. She did Wheelock's in a single yr in 9th grade after using Latin Prep (no longer for sale) in 7th and 8th. She said Wheelock's had better explanations and was easier to use. If she was confused, she would watch a lecture like those linked for clarity. The NLE is closely aligned with Wheelock's.
If you hadn't said your dd liked learning on her own from a text, I wouldn't have suggested it. It is doable for a strong, motivated student.
Got it. I think we will go this route. Thanks so much for all your help.
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I’m sorry. Wheelock’s. I will look at your link. Thank you!
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12 minutes ago, 8filltheheart said:
If she can learn from a textbook, she doesn't need anything other than the book. 1/2 a book per yr.
Really?? This does not seem to be the online consensus. Were your kids able to use it? I would prefer to use this one, as it seems to be the "better" option.
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16 hours ago, 8filltheheart said:
If you want to consider Wheelock's there are tons of resources available for it and it will get her through Latin to a high level quickly. It is a great text. I wouldn't use it with younger students, but high school, yes.
Here are just some of the resources you can find:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17bBXCy1qn_x0at20GKgHHGABOvTBw6JvSlaHRXmZpI4/edit#
Hi there! We will need something streamlined and organized. If I have to go find extra resources in the midst of the school year to help her along, we are less likely to succeed, even if the material is "better." I have learned that about myself, and I am okay with it, but it just means that all planning/organizing has to be done ahead of time. That is why I felt like Henle was the better fit when doing my research this week.
Is there a good way to organize or purchase organized materials for Wheelock's?
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I'm so sorry, but I can't find any info on this using the search option. There also aren't a ton of reviews online.
Someone sent me a link to Visual Latin, and I was curious if anyone had used it or heard of it? If so, is it appropriate for a high school course? (I believe the student would have to complete Levels 1 and 2 in one year for a full credit.) I have never heard of it.
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13 minutes ago, Noreen Claire said:
DS11 is at the beginning of Henle, and I realized that I would need to do it alongside/ahead of him, or it was going to be hard to be helpful. I have just started, and need to catch up to him! We have the MP teacher manual and the quizzes. I have also printed out some of the free files linked to above. I really like the pacing and extra commentary in the MP manual. This is the only subject he has ever had quizzes in, and it is working as a good tool to help him evaluate his own learning.
FWIW, I took the Henle books to the local Kinkos (FedExpress Office?) and had them spiral bound. Best decision ever! was $6.50/book.
Thank you for this!
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Thank you! What did you think of the Memoria Press support materials? Quizzes, etc.?
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Has anyone used or heard of Visual Latin?
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3 minutes ago, Bonnie said:
It can be done by most students in two academic years. I have known accelerated students who homeschooled year-round and did most of it in a year and a half.
Bonnie
Thank you!
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Can someone who has used this course tell me about how long it takes to complete? I have read conflicting opinions online. Thank you!
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I have a question about Henle Latin. Should I start another thread, or can someone answer here for me? I want to know how many years it takes to finish Henle First Year. I have read conflicting information on that.
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2 minutes ago, 8filltheheart said:
Yes, I'm still confused. What grade is she in? My best guess based on what you posted was that in 8th grade she scored a 31 and DE and grade skipped 9th (bc she is a 9th grader by age) and is a 10th grader?? But then you mentioned her taking the PSAT the next 2 yrs which then makes it sound like she is a 9th grader and next yr is 10th grade. While you can ask NM to consider a 10th grade score if you decide to grade skip 11th (up to them as to whether or not they agree to), you can't ask them to change a score taken 11th grade to 10th. So, if you are possibly reconsidering this is 9th grade, definitely make sure that she takes the PSAT next yr as a 10th grader.
Funny, this exactly what we have struggled with over here, and it IS convoluted.
Right now, I am calling her a 9th grader. She took some college classes last year, and her math/science/foreign language were all high school level so can be counted toward high school. We can't count the history, english, etc she took last year unless we call her last year's school 9th, effectively skipping 8th grade. Since that pigeon holes us some, we are just calling her a 9th grader for now, and we will just graduate her her Junior year if we decide to go that route. I now know that credits issued won't be an issue for graduation (she will have plenty).
So, to clarify, we are calling her a freshman, but she may not need all four years at home. Calling her a freshman allows her to make that choice later. Does that make sense? She just turned 15 and will be a sophomore next year. I'll have her take the PSAT then and then again her Junior year, regardless of graduation date. She will also take the ACT at least once a year.
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@UmmIbrahimShe will only have skipped one grade at all by the time we are done. I think my brain being all over the place is confusing people on this point and maybe some others. But I completely agree.
Thank you for your encouragement to really dive into her passion and find something she can do to highlight/leverage her dance passion and proficiency. I will look into this.
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5 minutes ago, 8filltheheart said:
Keep in mind that depending on where she applies, test scores will need to be from 11th grade or the first testing cycle of 12th. Many competitive scholarship deadlines are in Oct or early Nov. Early action/early decision deadlines are equally that early. I try to have my kids finish with testing in early 11th so they can move on.
If your dd wants to try for National Merit, the only test that counts is in fall of 11th, so that would be next yr for her. Lots of great scholarship opportunities for NMFs. Definitely worth trying for. You need to find a school where she can sit for the exam.
Yes, she will take it every year, and we will get her scores/paperwork ironed out in plenty of time. My oldest sat for the PSAT this last fall at the local private school. (She barely missed semi-finalist scores. Argh.) I will have her younger sister do the same thing her junior year. I may actually have her take it both her sophomore and junior years so she can have a trial run, even though I know the earlier one doesn't count.
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@8filltheheartand @Dmmetler I appreciated your stories and perspectives so much. Thank you for taking the time to share. You both created courses for your teens that were based on their interests, is that right? I have been thinking of doing the same thing for either English or History, since I can't see how she needs anything traditional in either of these areas at this point. I was thinking of having her go through a Rhetoric Writing course just for solidification of skills.
@8filltheheart - You are exactly right that what she has had isn't competitive enough. And, honestly, her ACT score isn't that competitive as a graduating senior either. She received that score when she was 14, and I am expecting it to go up, along with her classes and experience. We were all set to increase DE, and potentially enroll her online early, etc etc. (I won't bore you with our many, many, in depth conversations - I'm sure you can relate!) to accelerate her further. I was just telling a friend the other day, that I didn't know what to do with her. Basic high school seemed to be completed (for the most part) and what do we do now? Holding pattern until graduation? Accelerate her into college level work exclusively? Yesterday, I found some information that made me think it might be smart to go deeper instead of farther, and I feel like that has been confirmed by reading your thoughts here, thought I very much appreciate your encouragement that we don't have to conform to any college's standards. Interestingly, my oldest daughter will graduate with well over 30 DE hours, much like your older one, and we are on a path to go a different route with our next one, also mirroring your experience a little. (My oldest is very bright with high scores also, but her college/degree choices aren't as rigorous.)
@stripe Thank you for your thoughts about competitive law school and how it might be better for her to finish high school regularly to help her in that endeavor. That is a good point.
@lewelma Yes, I am not sure the DE is all that rigorous, as she has had no trouble with a high A, even at 14 years old. I do think it helps supplement what we are doing here, but I'm not sure it is really all that hard.
I am hoping to make at least a 2 year plan this week (even if she doesn't graduate in two years, I feel like we may need to revisit things in a couple years). I may share it here for feedback if that's okay.
Thanks again everyone.
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Thank you everyone! I am looking through all of your links now. I do appreciate the encouragement that her involvement in dance is helpful because of the commitment level. I will make sure to look into the best way to highlight this on applications, etc. I do have information about how to build a dance resume because she has talked of dancing professionally also.
Oh, someone sent a list of things to consider majoring in for pre-law - she is thinking journalism.
She's having a hard time choosing between dance and journalism/law as career paths because they are so different from each other. So, as her mom and her teacher, I'm just trying to make sure she is prepared for both. lol She has mentioned double majoring as well, but she has time to work that out as long as she's prepared either way.
Thank you again!
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41 minutes ago, Lori D. said:
Hopefully @8filltheheart will share more about her one DD's self-study of French & Russian, and her great senior project of translation that showed DD's passion for the subjects, as well as self-motivation and unique abilities.
Also, hopefully @Dmmetler will pop in and share about her accelerated DD's path. Her DD started DE at age 12, and has done various projects in her field (herpetology), as well as extracurriculars to show her passions, strengths, and interests beyond rigorous academics. Her DD is graduating this year with a ton of DE -- I believe DD is 17?? -- so she is graduating at a younger age.
Also @regentrude's DD graduated at 16yo after doing quite a bit of DE at her local university, and went on to the highly selective University of Chicago -- so she could also provide some good info on how early graduation might look, and how to prepare for a selective college.
If my tagging these ladies doesn't draw them to this thread, you can click on those tags which will take you to their personal page, where you could send them private messages, if you think that would help with planning your DD's specific course of study for high school.BEST of luck! Warmly, Lori D.
Thank you for this list!
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1 hour ago, 8filltheheart said:
I'm confused by this part of your post.
What courses did she take DE? Were they below AP level or equivalent? If she took typical AP type subjects as a DEed student, it would be redundant to take the AP course.
It might be easier to offer suggestions if you shared what she has taken. (I have had kids who took multiple science and math courses each yr or studied multiple languages (she graduated with 15 foreign lang credits) bc those were their interests. They studied philosophy, unique lit courses (dd spent her sr English cr on a capstone thesis on Shakespeare.)) Options are endless.
In terms of ECs, more does not = better. Commitment is what they want to see. Directed focus is better than superficial. Her dance commitment is exactly the type of EC they want to see. I would consider Mock Trial or debate simply bc of her goals.
Yeah, that was probably confusing. My mind is all over the place this week.
I spoke with the high school advisor from HSLDA a couple years ago and then proceeded to call colleges around the state, and what I found is that some colleges like to see AP classes on the transcript (regardless of the test score), because it shows they have successfully taken a class with a rigor that is standardized across the country. I had it on my list, but honestly, DE classes are a lot less expensive and can be done in half the time. So far, in DE, she has had American History, European History, Dance History, Spanish 1. (Do you sense a theme? lol) She will take Chem in the fall and that is all I have slated for her so far. I'm making a plan this week to see if we are adding any more from the college.
She would love to do debate or be part of a mock trial, but I can't find any groups close to us.
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6 minutes ago, 8filltheheart said:
I just reread your post and saw where you said 9th grade by age and then referred to 2 more yrs. Just something to think about--early graduation rarely benefits students in terms of admissions. Graduating at their regular 12th grade age gives them more time to enhance their CV with more accomplishments that will help them stand out amg a group of equally talented peers.
In terms of competitive admissions, you cannot think regionally. You have to think in terms of nationally and internationally bc that is their competition. It is not unusual for advanced kids to apply with incredibly high levels of academic achievement....hence why the "other" matters so much.
She wants to go to law school and get a head start. That is why she wants to graduate early. But this is a good thought.
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Thank you for all of your help and resources! These are great ideas and I appreciate the advice as well.
She has an older sibling who will graduate in a year, so I have gone down the road of talking with several colleges already. It was helpful when she was ready to start looking. She has two in mind, one selective and the other isn't as much so. I will try to convince her to add a third choice to her list and contact them also. That is great advice.
As far as extra activities, I always struggle here. She is very active and talented in dance as well and plays violin. She takes several hours of ballet every week and is involved in shows, etc. She is definitely a leader in her dance studio, but as far as being a leader in the community, we are running out of hours in the day. Do you think it would be smart to carve out some time on a Friday for some volunteer work as well? She plans on trying to intern/volunteer in a political capacity the next couple of years.
To address the idea of not specializing her education too much, I wanted to add that she already almost has enough credits to graduate high school. She started taking dual credit classes in middle school and skipped 8th grade. I was originally looking at trying go ahead an get a head start on her college choice (they allow early enrollment online), but after some research, I thought it might be more beneficial to deepen what we are doing here for a couple years and then just send her to college a year early. That is my thought process. If anyone else has any other suggestions/ideas, I welcome them. (I already know about high school credits and how they work and what counts when, etc., so I don't need advice there.)
Also, is an AP class or two important? They are so expensive, and I want to make sure it's worth allocating the funds before doing it.
Thanks so much for all of your help and support. I will look over all the resources recommended later this afternoon.
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26 minutes ago, Bonnie said:
You should consider Henle Latin. You can have a look at the program on the Memoria Press website. After that, she could move to Henle II and more advanced reading of authentic Latin prose. She could do very well in self-studying Henle, especially as you say she works at an accelerated pace and prefers self-study to online classes. You yourself do not need to know Latin, as she can ask questions and get reliable answers on the Memoria Press forum about any aspect of her Latin study.
Bonnie
Thank you for this! This is incredibly helpful, as I found the Latin resources overwhelming. We dabbled in Latin when they were younger, but I never stuck with it. I will look at this. Thanks so much.
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Hello all!
I am in need of some help moving forward, and I was hoping to gain it here. I have a daughter who is a freshman by age and is highly accelerated. (I do hope this is a safe place to tell things how they are - I've not the time or inclination to beat about the bush.) Her recent ACT score is 31, and her Reading and English were 36 and 35, respectively.
She has read many, many classics, and she is well-versed in English, Reading, and Math. (Science isn't my strongest point, but she is being educated adequately in this area and will move to the local college for that in the fall.) We have been looking at colleges, and the one she is looking at attending is selective and values a classical secondary education. That's why I'm here.
I need to move forward the next two years by providing her as classical of an education as I can provide. (She will probably graduate a year early.) Is there anyone who can walk me through the subjects and how to best provide this to her?
I did read the Well Trained Mind when my kids were young and used classical materials over the years, but in order to really deepen her education and prepare her for the type of college she wants to attend, I need to add in Latin, Logic, deepen History even more, etc. I will outsource Math and Science to our University by way of dual enrollment.
I would welcome messages or responses here if anyone has time to help me out. Mostly, I need to know where to look for Latin, Logic, History, and English materials that fit the bill. I also welcome any other suggestions about what to add. She prefers self-study to online options, though I know with languages she may need a teacher. I have never learned Latin.
Thanks so much.
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Help With High School - Need to Switch Gears
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I wanted to thank everyone so much for your help and direction. I have a plan in place and now just need to follow up with some scheduling/organizing. Your ideas were very helpful, and we have taken them to heart. We discussed not graduating early, Latin exploration, and I contacted TeenPact last week. Thanks again - I really appreciate it.